Does the university you go to really matter? (3 Viewers)

[Graney]

Teaching is a unique degree in that one benefits much more from interacting and discussing the materials than other degrees. You learn more from discussing issues with your peers sometimes than you do from listening to a lecture or reading a textbook.

Also, remember that the teaching is a profession that requires high-level interaction with students. Being comfortable with discussing education is part of that. By regularly participating in tutorial / seminar discussions, one gains the skills that will make one an effective teacher

as LA88 said, nursing is a unique program in that it's not about regurgitating anatomy, it's about apply the facts, and justifying them as if you're a clinician (problem solving) as well as considering other factor like the 'patient history', 'psychological issues', etc.

you won't be able to pick these up from just doing distance ed.

etc..

wankers

 

[ninjapuppet]

LOL

Most posters here, are young 20 year olds who have no idea of the realities of the legal working world, other than rumours. Its true that getting into a top tier is very tough as a new graduate. just to let people know, I know 2 D average final year students from unsw who could NOT get jobs in top tiers for next year.

MonsterMuch has done 2 bachelors, and a diploma. Obviously her life experience is greater than most people here, especially working as a psychiatric nurse! You shouldnt have a problem communicating with clients.

My advice:
considering your "real life" situation of having to earn a living whilst studying, an online course would be ideal, and easily be sufficient to get a job. Ive studied the law, worked in 2 law firms and dealt with enough lawyers to know. Even if you do not get a job right away after graduation, you eventually will if you keep trying. I noticed there was no mention of you trying into a top tier. I might want to add, that Charles Stuart would probally be more suitable than the UNE course for you in SA

Keep in mind the Legal profession in Adelaide is tiny with Flinders, Unisa, Adelaide + online courses, all supplying lawyers. All the medical malpractice lawyers i dealt with in Adelaide seemed to know one another!

I want to drill another thing into young kids brains about top tiers, NOT ALL LAWYERS at top tiers came from a top tier universities. think about that.
If you have 10 years experience in a specialised field from a 2nd tier firm, and a top tier needs that skill, there obviously is a chance you'll be hired depending on your track record.

 

[17028354]

good points.

on that under 20 point,
what do you honestly expect from BOS?

maybe you should go on whirlpool or OCAU

 

[monstermunch]

LOL

Most posters here, are young 20 year olds who have no idea of the realities of the legal working world, other than rumours. Its true that getting into a top tier is very tough as a new graduate. just to let people know, I know 2 D average final year students from unsw who could NOT get jobs in top tiers for next year.

MonsterMuch has done 2 bachelors, and a diploma. Obviously her life experience is greater than most people here, especially working as a psychiatric nurse! You shouldnt have a problem communicating with clients.

My advice:
considering your "real life" situation of having to earn a living whilst studying, an online course would be ideal, and easily be sufficient to get a job. Ive studied the law, worked in 2 law firms and dealt with enough lawyers to know. Even if you do not get a job right away after graduation, you eventually will if you keep trying. I noticed there was no mention of you trying into a top tier. I might want to add, that Charles Stuart would probally be more suitable than the UNE course for you in SA

Keep in mind the Legal profession in Adelaide is tiny with Flinders, Unisa, Adelaide + online courses, all supplying lawyers. All the medical malpractice lawyers i dealt with in Adelaide seemed to know one another!

I want to drill another thing into young kids brains about top tiers, NOT ALL LAWYERS at top tiers came from a top tier universities. think about that.
If you have 10 years experience in a specialised field from a 2nd tier firm, and a top tier needs that skill, there obviously is a chance you'll be hired depending on your track record.

Thank you for your reply.
To be honest, the issue of what tier a firm is has not even crossed my mind. I am not interested in studying law to make huge amounts of money.
Thanks again for your advice.

 

[monstermunch]

good points.

on that under 20 point,
what do you honestly expect from BOS?

maybe you should go on whirlpool or OCAU

Personally I thought I would be communicating with law students and therefore mistakenly thought the responses I would receive would be considered and intelligent, unfortunately I have only received a few 'proper' responses, the rest have been childish banter from the mouths of primary school children-"my uni's better than yours" "no my unis better than yours"

Thanks to those who have offered advice

 

[Existential]

it's obvious (this is what i got from this thread):
1. don't do distance ed - attend a uni.
2. the uni you attend is your choice - keep in mind which ones are held in good faith by employers (UNSW, USYD ect. which have high ATAR entries - tho there are ways around that....)

 

[dste6]

I want to drill another thing into young kids brains about top tiers, NOT ALL LAWYERS at top tiers came from a top tier universities. think about that.

This is true. I'd also like to add that not all students from top tier schools want to go to top tier firms

I find it so humorous that so many posters have jumped on the top tier band wagon on this topic that no one noticed that the OP wasn't even interested in top tier firms.

Monstermunch: There are benefits to both distance education and to in-class education alike. We cannot escape the fact that in-class teaching can be very helpful in a field that is rarely clear and certain. The ability to get immediate feedback from the lecturer and work through a particular issue in class can lead to a deeper and wider understanding of the issue than if your approaching it on your own. People see things in different way, and you'll be astonished to find how much you can learn from your peers. This is especially true in the schools that have small class sizes.

However, law is fundamentally a self directed learning degree. For every hour you spend in a class, you will spend dozens reading on your own; eg you normally expected to read all the material BEFORE you get to class. For every enlightened observation your get from a peer, you will also hear a dim or irrelevant one. Distance education allows you to access nearly everything you need in a way that may put you into the best situation you can be in to learn; ultimate it is on you to learn, no one can get through law just by attending classes. It can make all the difference between being able to cope with law or not.

My advice to you is: if you can attend an in-class program, do so, it can be a supremely rewarding and very beneficial aspect of law. However, if your are in a personal situation where you feel that your circumstances don't allow for that; ie its either distance ed law or no law, then do distance ed and don't worry about it. If you do well, you will become a lawyer. Becoming a good lawyer? Learning the profession doesn't stop at the end law school, it only starts. I know many people doing articles at the moment who say they might as well have not done law school (hyperbole, but you see the point).

The sad reality is that top tier firms to predominately recruit from top tier schools...but there is much more to law than top tier firms. There are areas of the legal field that are under staffed

 

[Omnidragon]

Yes it matters. You've lost half the battle if you go to some shyt university. Period. No need to argue. Feel free to but cbf responding to noobs who say so otherwise and good luck having a good life if you think otherwise.

 

[Omnidragon]

I want to drill another thing into young kids brains about top tiers, NOT ALL LAWYERS at top tiers came from a top tier universities. think about that.
If you have 10 years experience in a specialised field from a 2nd tier firm, and a top tier needs that skill, there obviously is a chance you'll be hired depending on your track record.

Hmm... no. Keep deluding yourself.

 

[monstermunch]

Hmm... no. Keep deluding yourself.

I think it is you Omnidragon that has delusions...delusions of grandeur, I see that alot in my present occupation.

I don't understand these people who believe that the fact that they have attended a so called top university is all they need to exceed in life. Actually uni is just the start, you have to prove yourself in the workplace. Just because someone does their degree at a top tier uni will not keep them afloat for the rest of their life, you actually have to put what you have learnt into practice and you need to be able to communicate with all sorts of people effectively, not simply ace a few exams.

I shall shut up now as I have a feeling I am probably banging my head against a brick wall.

 

[flamearrows]

I think it is you Omnidragon that has delusions...delusions of grandeur, I see that alot in my present occupation.

I don't understand these people who believe that the fact that they have attended a so called top university is all they need to exceed in life. Actually uni is just the start, you have to prove yourself in the workplace. Just because someone does their degree at a top tier uni will not keep them afloat for the rest of their life, you actually have to put what you have learnt into practice and you need to be able to communicate with all sorts of people effectively, not simply ace a few exams.

I shall shut up now as I have a feeling I am probably banging my head against a brick wall.

If you're disciplined enough to excel at a top-tier university for five years, keeping it up in the workplace can't be as bad as you make it out to be.

 

[dste6]

Yes it matters. You've lost half the battle if you go to some shyt university. Period. No need to argue.

That was really unimpressive.

'Period. No need to argue.'... wow your a terrible lawyer, I feel sorry for any client who gets stuck with you...

 

[ninjapuppet]

University snobbery is here to stay. I'm currently doing Actuarial at UNSW, and we're frequently reminded how we are the best, and how our bell curve marks are graded harder than the rest, blah blah blah. I'd be believing all this bullshit too if I didnt know any better.

but for the benefit of those who dont go to a go8 uni but still hoping to get into top tier firm, have a look at the 6 Top Tier firms, click on people and check out their history.

• Allens Arthur Robinson
• Blake Dawson
• Clayton Utz
• Freehills
• Mallesons Stephen Jaques
• Minter Ellison

Ive met Micheal Allen before and just found out he worked in a small firm for 10 years before becomming partner at Mallesons. Partner profile - Michael Allen

I also read about Ken Astridge in the economist. I just found out that he didnt go to a go8, and is now one of the top Banking & Finance partners at Mallesons. Partner profile - Ken Astridge

solid proof that you can still make partner at a top tier without going to a go8. just another something totally irrelevant that ive noticed whilst browsing:
- Considering how many ethnics study law, does anybody notice how there is a lack of "ethnic" partners at top tiers?
- and A lack of women / ethnics at the Senior counsel levels

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So to answer Re: Does the university you go to really matter?

yes but not to the extent everyone thinks. other factors matter more, such as race and sex and track record of winning cases. If you only want to be a lawyer and help people, then any lawyer can start their own firm after 2 years working. All you need to know, is how to get customers and keep them happy. something not taught at uni.

 

[Omnidragon]

I think it is you Omnidragon that has delusions...delusions of grandeur, I see that alot in my present occupation.

I don't understand these people who believe that the fact that they have attended a so called top university is all they need to exceed in life. Actually uni is just the start, you have to prove yourself in the workplace. Just because someone does their degree at a top tier uni will not keep them afloat for the rest of their life, you actually have to put what you have learnt into practice and you need to be able to communicate with all sorts of people effectively, not simply ace a few exams.

I shall shut up now as I have a feeling I am probably banging my head against a brick wall.

Hah you make me laugh kid. So what's your current occupation? McDonalds? Are people turning their noses on you because you're slow at making the nuggets?

Attending a good uni is not 'all that you need in life'. However if you didn't attend a good uni (such as yourself), your life is probably over anyway so it won't matter.

Now go back to McDonalds and mop the floor.

 

[Omnidragon]

That was really unimpressive.

'Period. No need to argue.'... wow your a terrible lawyer, I feel sorry for any client who gets stuck with you...

I left the awesome-paying profession of law a while ago.... you applying for clerkships yet? Impressive. Good luck kiddo.

 

[Omnidragon]

University snobbery is here to stay. I'm currently doing Actuarial at UNSW, and we're frequently reminded how we are the best, and how our bell curve marks are graded harder than the rest, blah blah blah. I'd be believing all this bullshit too if I didnt know any better.

but for the benefit of those who dont go to a go8 uni but still hoping to get into top tier firm, have a look at the 6 Top Tier firms, click on people and check out their history.

• Allens Arthur Robinson
• Blake Dawson
• Clayton Utz
• Freehills
• Mallesons Stephen Jaques
• Minter Ellison

Ive met Micheal Allen before and just found out he worked in a small firm for 10 years before becomming partner at Mallesons. Partner profile - Michael Allen

I also read about Ken Astridge in the economist. I just found out that he didnt go to a go8, and is now one of the top Banking & Finance partners at Mallesons. Partner profile - Ken Astridge

solid proof that you can still make partner at a top tier without going to a go8. just another something totally irrelevant that ive noticed whilst browsing:
- Considering how many ethnics study law, does anybody notice how there is a lack of "ethnic" partners at top tiers?
- and A lack of women / ethnics at the Senior counsel levels

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So to answer Re: Does the university you go to really matter?

yes but not to the extent everyone thinks. other factors matter more, such as race and sex and track record of winning cases. If you only want to be a lawyer and help people, then any lawyer can start their own firm after 2 years working. All you need to know, is how to get customers and keep them happy. something not taught at uni.

You got to be pretty dumb to take this so seriously. Of course university isn't the only thing that matters... how thick can you be to go into all that effort... typical behaviour from people who didn't go to the best unis trying to justify their failures.

The original poster is asking whether it matters. The answer is yes. Go on tell us it doesn't and prove to me how thick you are once again. Oh yea and I've met ex-Justice Kirby too... so what? Wooooweee...

 

[monstermunch]

Hah you make me laugh kid. So what's your current occupation? McDonalds? Are people turning their noses on you because you're slow at making the nuggets?

Attending a good uni is not 'all that you need in life'. However if you didn't attend a good uni (such as yourself), your life is probably over anyway so it won't matter.

Now go back to McDonalds and mop the floor.

Firstly, no I didn't complete my HSC in 2010.
Secondly, I have a Bachelor of Science, a Diploma in Criminology and Social Policy, a Bachelor of Nursing and a Postgraduate Diploma in Mental Health Nursing.
Thirdly, I am a psychiatric nurse, I do not work at McDonalds.

But thanks anyway, been a little while since I've been called kid.
Hmm I'm guessing it is you that is the kid mopping floors and being mocked by their peers, not that I would wish that on anyone, not even you omnidragon

 

[flamearrows]

Relevant: Breaks In The Track : The Leveraged Sell-Out

Modified for Australia:

Postscript: Breaks are just harder to catch if you're not on the track.

 

[Omnidragon]

Firstly, no I didn't complete my HSC in 2010.
Secondly, I have a Bachelor of Science, a Diploma in Criminology and Social Policy, a Bachelor of Nursing and a Postgraduate Diploma in Mental Health Nursing.
Thirdly, I am a psychiatric nurse, I do not work at McDonalds.

But thanks anyway, been a little while since I've been called kid.
Hmm I'm guessing it is you that is the kid mopping floors and being mocked by their peers, not that I would wish that on anyone, not even you omnidragon

Hah no wonder... I'm talking to the artsy greenie type that hasn't worked an honest day in their life.

So let's see... you're in a law thread talking about whether the university you go to matters when you're in a completely unrelated field. Want me to send you the Freehills or Minters pie chart that shows which uni the 2010 grads come from? Oh forgot, you're a nurse... probably haven't heard of either.

 

[Omnidragon]

Well said, flamearrows. Unfortuantely just stuck at Break 3 at the moment and can't see Break 4 coming any time soon... though I'm sure some have just deviated completely off track.

Edit: most people I'm arguing with here... or they're probably still stuck before Break 1