Does God Exist? (2 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

i dont get the 'christian who dont repent' line?
once you Romans 10:9 "confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved"

once you have done this (this includes continueing to believe in your heart) you are forgiven from every sin you've ever done and will do, you dont need to continuelly repent up to your last breath....which is what it sounded like you were implying

Not necessarily. The Christian I am referring to is the generic "I believe in the Christian God" one, not one who necessarily takes on every aspect of the faith. It is my understanding that you need to ask for forgiveness for your sins (i.e. in prayer), and this is done continually. Just saying you believe in God/Jesus and accept His/their authority doesn't 'wash you clean' of all the sin you happen to commit in your life.

 

[superbird]

Whatever her belief, what if she decides to join Christianity based on this decision? Your directly alienation the Atheists just because they don't believe in your God.

I dont understand your logic. Athiests choose to alienate themselves from God. So why cant I point that out?

 

[Kwayera]

Whatever her belief, what if she decides to join Christianity based on this decision? Your directly alienation the Atheists just because they don't believe in your God.

Unlikely, but thank you for making the point for me.

 

[Armani]

Do they need to believe in God to do good? No. Do they need to believe in God to go to heaven? Possibly.
But I'll be damned if an athiest over a person who believes in God was chosen to go to heaven.

That's disgusting. Your allowing those who do wrong, and repent, to gain access to this place aspired to by the Christian community and perceived to be Nirvana. You can't justify how a murderer, a rapist or those who sort to gain money and power by subversion through these techniques and others to go to heaven over those who do good but don't believe in God. If this is so I'm glad i don't believe in YOUR God.

 

[dark_angel]

i dont get the 'christian who dont repent' line?
once you Romans 10:9 "confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved"

once you have done this (this includes continueing to believe in your heart) you are forgiven from every sin you've ever done and will do, you dont need to continuelly repent up to your last breath....which is what it sounded like you were implying

what happens if u kill yourself?

 

[Kwayera]

I dont understand your logic. Athiests choose to alienate themselves from God. So why cant I point that out?

NO. AthEIsts (I ask that you extend the same courtesy I extend you and spell it properly) do not choose to alienate themselves from the Christian God - they are people who do not believe in any god, or in any religion, at all. There is no alienation. There is simple non-belief.

For atheists, believing in a god/religion is like saying that 2 + 2 = 5 instead of 4 - it doesn't make sense; it is illogical. That's the easiest way I can explain it.

 

[superbird]

I'm not assuming. That's what gets forced down my throat every day at my school (which happens to be Anglican) by the chaplain and every other Christian present at my school, so i'm assuming that that's the case. It certainatly makes more sense than yours.

It doesn't matter whether or not I believe in God or the Christian faith or not. I probably know as much as you do, perhaps more, on the subject.

Well good for you
But I for one know you're wrong when you say:
"Christians who don't repent and everyone else = hell."

Not "everyone else", or in this case those who dont follow the Christian way, go to Hell. This directly goes against the true meaning and teaching of Christianity. A Muslim, Buddhist or even an Athiest may go to Heaven.

 

[Jezzabelle]

Not necessarily. The Christian I am referring to is the generic "I believe in the Christian God" one, not one who necessarily takes on every aspect of the faith. It is my understanding that you need to ask for forgiveness for your sins (i.e. in prayer), and this is done continually. Just saying you believe in God/Jesus and accept His/their authority doesn't 'wash you clean' of all the sin you happen to commit in your life.

we continuelly acknowledge we've stuffed up in order to remain humble and grateful of the forgiveness God has given us.

we dont NEED to remember and repent from every little sin to enter heaven, because this would be impossible.

 

[superbird]

That's disgusting. Your allowing those who do wrong, and repent, to gain access to this place aspired to by the Christian community and perceived to be Nirvana. You can't justify how a murderer, a rapist or those who sort to gain money and power by subversion through these techniques and others to go to heaven over those who do good but don't believe in God. If this is so I'm glad i don't believe in YOUR God.

You clearly have no idea how our God works so I suggest you shutup and keep quiet on the matter

 

[Jezzabelle]

That's disgusting. Your allowing those who do wrong, and repent, to gain access to this place aspired to by the Christian community and perceived to be Nirvana. You can't justify how a murderer, a rapist or those who sort to gain money and power by subversion through these techniques and others to go to heaven over those who do good but don't believe in God. If this is so I'm glad i don't believe in YOUR God.

murder, lust, lying, swearing are all the same weighting to GOD. obviously not in our culture. but you are assuming God judges as the world does, which is wrong.

and i know God accepts criminals into heaven who have repented and believed, as one of the very first people God promised eternity to was such a man.

LUKE 23:39
39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[6] "
43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

 

[dark_angel]

NO. AthEIsts (I ask that you extend the same courtesy I extend you and spell it properly) do not choose to alienate themselves from the Christian God - they are people who do not believe in any god, or in any religion, at all. There is no alienation. There is simple non-belief.

For atheists, believing in a god/religion is like saying that 2 + 2 = 5 instead of 4 - it doesn't make sense; it is illogical. That's the easiest way I can explain it.

hahahah can u prove 1+1=2 , i cant

 

[Armani]

You clearly have no idea how our God works so I suggest you shutup and keep quiet on the matter

Great Christian you are telling me to shut up cause I pose questions you can't answer. If God allowed people like you into Heaven, then the place must suck. If more people like jezzabelle86 were to go to Heaven, then Christianity might not be a bad thing. Instead you corrupt Christianity's reputation with your stain. Go think about your actions before you mouth off with passionate claims that do nothing for the discussion.

 

[Monkey Butler]

OK, how about we say - we don't know how YOUR God works, because obviously he works in a completely different way to the other Christians in this thread. Evangelical Christians (I think, although Jezza said that it was different???) believe what Armani said - that was definitely what I was forced to sit through every week in Chapel. So don't make generalisations for your whole unstable religion

 

[Kwayera]

Well good for you
But I for one know you're wrong when you say:
"Christians who don't repent and everyone else = hell."

Not "everyone else", or in this case those who dont follow the Christian way, go to Hell. This directly goes against the true meaning and teaching of Christianity. A Muslim, Buddhist or even an Athiest may go to Heaven.

No. If you do not believe in God - i.e. 'reject' Him - you are denying, turning away from, 'Jesus' sacrifice'. Thus you do NOT go to heaven.

 

[Armani]

murder, lust, lying, swearing are all the same weighting to GOD. obviously not in our culture. but you are assuming God judges as the world does, which is wrong.

and i know God accepts criminals into heaven who have repented and believed, as one of the very first people God promised eternity to was such a man.

LUKE 23:39
39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[6] "
43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

I does this justify me killing someone and repenting to gain access to Heaven?

 

[superbird]

No. If you do not believe in God - i.e. 'reject' Him - you are denying, turning away from, 'Jesus' sacrifice'. Thus you do NOT go to heaven.

So tell me, are you God? Because you seem to know exactly how he judges people.

 

[Jezzabelle]

I does this justify me killing someone and repenting to gain access to Heaven?

all i know buddy is that God looks at the heart and that i can't say how he will judge,

but personally i feel that if you did that, your repentence probably wouldnt be acceptable... your heart would not be right would it?

 

[Kwayera]

I does this justify me killing someone and repenting to gain access to Heaven?

No, it doesn't. It's just appealing to all classes/races/cultures/states of civilisation to join the Christian cause (remember, about when the NT was written or shortly after, Christians were persecuted by the Romans. Safety in numbers).

 

[superbird]

Great Christian you are telling me to shut up cause I pose questions you can't answer. If God allowed people like you into Heaven, then the place my suck. If more people like jezzabelle86 were to go to Heaven, then Christianity might not be a bad thing. Instead you corrupt Christianity's reputation with your stain. Go think about your actions before you mouth off with passionate claims that do nothing for the discussion.

This is a forum FFS not real life. Get over it. Heaven forbid if God judges us by our actions on a forum!

 

[Generator]

Could we lay off the christian bashing (slightly), please? It's hardly fair to press your logical agnostic/athiest argument and then instantly dismiss the argument offered by the christian side just because it happens to be based on another means of justification. Surely that makes a little sense within the 'we cannot prove or disprove whether a god actually exists' concept?

I know that this topic asks whether god exists, and though one may easily find fault in the bible, does that necessarily prove anything beyond that neither side has a case worth considering?