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Does God Exist? (1 Viewer)

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First Session for those that miss out or are scarred to subscribe:

The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion

~~~

Lie #1:

'If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure,
follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money,
you'll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.'

~~~

Remember that scene near the end of the Wizard of Oz,
when Toto is pulling back the curtain? The sound system
is bellowing, 'Pay no attention to that man behind the
curtain. THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN!'
And There's a little man behind the controls, talking into
a microphone.

Kind of reminds you of certain religious institutions,
doesn't it? Short little insecure men, hiding behind
names and titles, sending everyone on Mission Impossible
while they themselves indulge in secret sin. The
preacher stands in front of thousands and shakes his
finger. Nobody else knows that he had a stripper
in his hotel room last night.

Somebody tells you, 'Here, follow all these rules and be
the best person you possibly can, and you might have a shot
at being accepted by God someday.' Then they string you along
and get you under their thumb.

No wonder people are cynical.

Well it's no accident that Jesus' own biggest enemies 2000
years ago were precisely those same self-righteous hypocrites.
When Jesus showed up, they were terrified of losing their cushy
jobs and political clout. Eventually they murdered him for
exposing their racket.

True spirituality had been buried in a big pile of bureaucracy,
and the religious establishment used it to gain leverage. To have
power over people, to get priority seating in expensive restaurants,
and to line their pockets with cash.

They had everyone thinking that pleasing God was a never-ending
performance marathon.

Well Jesus painted a totally different picture. He told this
story:

'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a holy man and
the other a tax collector.

The holy man stood and prayed, 'God, I thank you that I am not
like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like
this lousy tax collector. I fast twice a week, I give tithes
of all that I get.'

But the tax collector, standing far away, would not even lift
up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be
merciful to me a sinner!'

Jesus explains: 'I tell you, this tax collector went home
forgiven, rather than the holy man; for every one who praises
himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be praised.'

Beware of the proud holy man who hangs a bunch of rules
around your neck.

That humble tax collector had it right. He was doing the only
thing you and I can do to be accepted by God. He just asked, with
humility.

Tomorrow I'm going to attack Lie #2:

'God is huge and unapproachable, and He wants you to labor, struggle
and live in guilt.'
 

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joujou_84 said:
exactly.........this is all point of view.....i would have no respect for someone wearing any of those t-shirts and im not evn christain.....i dont care wat anyone wears....but IMO they are disrespctful and wrong......however ill wear wat i want.....and everyone can wear wat they want.... :)
I would suggest that you not take the supposedly 'moral' high ground with respect to what others wear when you do not understand what it is they are trying to express. Feel free to find their choice in clothing 'wrong' once you understand what it is they are saying, though.
 

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one simple word:

NO

and it just goes to show that religion was only created to make people feel that they will be able to live on in the afterlife (another wanton greed for humans)
 

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Generator said:
I would suggest that you not take the supposedly 'moral' high ground with respect to what others wear when you do not understand what it is they are trying to express. Feel free to find their choice in clothing 'wrong' once you understand what it is they are saying, though.
ok...........next time i see somewhere wearing it............ill ask what they r trying to say by wearing a t-shirt that says "jesus is my homeboy"........ :rolleyes:
 

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ihavenothing said:
one simple word:

NO

and it just goes to show that religion was only created to make people feel that they will be able to live on in the afterlife (another wanton greed for humans)
Im sure people believed in an afterlife way before any of the five main religious traditions formed. Certainly way before Christianity and Islam.
 

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Yes people believed in an afterlife, gods, worshipped them.... now those gods aren't worshipped and the people who used to worship them long ago are mocked by the people who worship the modern gods.

You might know it, but i need to make sure i project that image upon others.
 

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well i dunno.........but im going to supre and im going to ask them who makes those t-shirts and wat decent message do they hope to get across to teeangers who buy their clothes from supre...

edit: if they can give me a good answer.........ill shut up...
 

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Keen said:
First Session for those that miss out or are scarred to subscribe:

The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion

~~~

Lie #1:

'If you live a moral life, deny yourself pleasure,
follow the prescribed rituals and give us enough money,
you'll have a decent shot at being accepted by God.'

~~~

Remember that scene near the end of the Wizard of Oz,
when Toto is pulling back the curtain? The sound system
is bellowing, 'Pay no attention to that man behind the
curtain. THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ HAS SPOKEN!'
And There's a little man behind the controls, talking into
a microphone.

Kind of reminds you of certain religious institutions,
doesn't it? Short little insecure men, hiding behind
names and titles, sending everyone on Mission Impossible
while they themselves indulge in secret sin. The
preacher stands in front of thousands and shakes his
finger. Nobody else knows that he had a stripper
in his hotel room last night.

Somebody tells you, 'Here, follow all these rules and be
the best person you possibly can, and you might have a shot
at being accepted by God someday.' Then they string you along
and get you under their thumb.

No wonder people are cynical.

Well it's no accident that Jesus' own biggest enemies 2000
years ago were precisely those same self-righteous hypocrites.
When Jesus showed up, they were terrified of losing their cushy
jobs and political clout. Eventually they murdered him for
exposing their racket.

True spirituality had been buried in a big pile of bureaucracy,
and the religious establishment used it to gain leverage. To have
power over people, to get priority seating in expensive restaurants,
and to line their pockets with cash.

They had everyone thinking that pleasing God was a never-ending
performance marathon.

Well Jesus painted a totally different picture. He told this
story:

'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a holy man and
the other a tax collector.

The holy man stood and prayed, 'God, I thank you that I am not
like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like
this lousy tax collector. I fast twice a week, I give tithes
of all that I get.'

But the tax collector, standing far away, would not even lift
up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be
merciful to me a sinner!'

Jesus explains: 'I tell you, this tax collector went home
forgiven, rather than the holy man; for every one who praises
himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be praised.'

Beware of the proud holy man who hangs a bunch of rules
around your neck.

That humble tax collector had it right. He was doing the only
thing you and I can do to be accepted by God. He just asked, with
humility.

Tomorrow I'm going to attack Lie #2:

'God is huge and unapproachable, and He wants you to labor, struggle
and live in guilt.'
Lie #1 - Honestly, i know that there are those leaders of religious groups that fill the above descriptions, but i also know that most of the ones i personally know, including many of the de la salle brothers, truely work for God and do not spread hypocrital messages. Im going to be honest, i rarely attend church, really the only days you will definitely see me there is on Christmas and Easter.

Lie #2 - As for the second lie, I dont think God is unapproachable, personally i think He wants us to approach Him. However I also believe that He will not come to us unless we want Him to. I also think that He doesnt want us to suffer and labour. The Bible showed that He gave humanity the garden of eden where they could live an immortal life without shame and where all necessities could be taken from the Earth (And no, i dont believe there was an actual garden, rather it was symbolic). However through disobedience He had no choice to cast humanity out and force them to have to labour to get what they want. It was only through the works of the faithful, such as Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses, who God chose to lead, that humanity still kept in touch with Him.
 

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alien said:
how come noone from hillsong is defending their church? if someone was bagging my church i would defend it
sorry i have been doing stuff all afternoon and so have only just checked responses to this topic...i am now here to defend my church.
for a start...as i understand, Hillsong church is not-for-profit organisation. i believe that they use the money that they receive to improve the church's facilities, to increase the awareness of Jesus to those who dont know much about Him, to make church and youth as enjoyable and informative as they can, to help those in need, to provide bibles to new christians and to those who dont have bibles, and most importantly to spread the word of our Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ.
I regularly save money to give to my church because i believe that they are using it properly. i believe that they are working as God has intended them to work, for a great cause.
I dont think you should comment on Hillsong until you have experienced it for yourself. You will truly understand that it is a great community and everyone is working for their love of God.
May God bless all of you.
 

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third day said:
sorry i have been doing stuff all afternoon and so have only just checked responses to this topic...i am now here to defend my church.
for a start...as i understand, Hillsong church is not-for-profit organisation. i believe that they use the money that they receive to improve the church's facilities, to increase the awareness of Jesus to those who dont know much about Him, to make church and youth as enjoyable and informative as they can, to help those in need, to provide bibles to new christians and to those who dont have bibles, and most importantly to spread the word of our Lord and saviour, Jesus Christ.
I regularly save money to give to my church because i believe that they are using it properly. i believe that they are working as God has intended them to work, for a great cause.
I dont think you should comment on Hillsong until you have experienced it for yourself. You will truly understand that it is a great community and everyone is working for their love of God.
May God bless all of you.
Hillsong is crappy commercialised tacky American evangelical shit. like all manipulative charismatic motivational speakers, its another great way to rip off the mindless worshippers with songs, flashing lights and other shiny things so that they dig deep and buy lots and lots of tacky merchandise.

christianity celebrates weakness.
 

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§eraphim said:
Hillsong is crappy commercialised tacky American evangelical shit. like all manipulative charismatic motivational speakers, its another great way to rip off the mindless worshippers with songs, flashing lights and other shiny things so that they dig deep and buy lots and lots of tacky merchandise.
well u can take ur opinion and shove it up ur ass........the guy is speaking with sincerity and all u can do is attack his church................ur a retard......
 

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acmilan said:
Lie #2 - As for the second lie, I dont think God is unapproachable, personally i think He wants us to approach Him. However I also believe that He will not come to us unless we want Him to. I also think that He doesnt want us to suffer and labour. The Bible showed that He gave humanity the garden of eden where they could live an immortal life without shame and where all necessities could be taken from the Earth (And no, i dont believe there was an actual garden, rather it was symbolic). However through disobedience He had no choice to cast humanity out and force them to have to labour to get what they want. It was only through the works of the faithful, such as Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses, who God chose to lead, that humanity still kept in touch with Him.
spoken like how a true christian should be.
 

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