Does God exist? (2 Viewers)

[IamBread]

Can you prove conclusively that God does not exist?

No. Just the same way I can't conclusively prove Santa Claus does not exist, or the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy, or invisible pink unicorns. But there is no evidence suggesting that they do exist, and thus no reason the believe they do.

 

[mirakon]

It has, these 'discussions' never go anywhere. But when your bored...

When im bored I prefer nonsense thread or tttne tbh

I was just interested to see this thread revived lol

 

[Annihilist]

Can you prove conclusively that God does not exist?

I'm just going to point out that was your 666th post.

It takes much less work to prove God doesn't exist because the idea that God does exist is an affirmative proposition. To disprove God all you have to do is defunct the arguments for the existence of God. You just have to counter it.

I think we also need to make a distinction here: are we talking about the Judeo-Christian God, or are we talking about any God, none in particular? Are we talking about the concept of a God? Or a specific God outlined in a particular religious text?

 

[IamBread]

When im bored I prefer nonsense thread or tttne tbh

I was just interested to see this thread revived lol

I am a nerd (4lyf). When I'm bored, I like discussing things, like physics, god, maths...

 

[Examine]

Einstein or not, I found the student's explanations quite enlightening

It was obviously a made up story, not a true event.

 

[soloooooo]

No. Just the same way I can't conclusively prove Santa Claus does not exist, or the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy, or invisible pink unicorns. But there is no evidence suggesting that they do exist, and thus no reason the believe they do.

Exactly. You cannot conclusively prove God (or some higher power be that God, Buddha, Allah, Krishna, whatever) does or does not exist. However people form their own opinions based on their own life experiences (or lack thereof).

 

[planino]

My mistake, I thought you were referring to Adam and Eve. But still, people make mistakes, if they do something wrong, that do not deserve eternal punishment.


But that's the point. The whole idea of God and religion is based purely on faith. Realistically, believing in God is the same as having an imaginary friend. A person may believe that their imaginary friend is real, but in no way does it make it real. All they have is faith. I could believe that there was an invisible pink unicorn behind you, but that doesn't mean there actually is an invisible pink unicorn behind you.

The professor is an idiot. The argument is stupid. It in no way proves God.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
This line shows that the person who wrote this has no idea how evolution works or what evolution is. Even the 'professor' is extremely stupid with his responses.

Punishment is determined by the degree of the sin. If you gobbled down someone's cupcake without consent, your calculator may go missing in the next few minutes, next day, next year etc. God decides when it happens. If a person raped someone else's sister, I do not want to know what that person will face as a punishment.

And yes I agree that the idea of believing in God is based purely on faith and can't be explained. However may just be possible to explain why someone may believe in God. Many may actually consider it an offense if one (I'm not talking about you, honestly you've actually been quite respectful) questions their belief. If someone would have told me that grabbing a newborn and flushing it down the toilet was bad and I would have questioned them, the look on their face would say it all

 

[soloooooo]

I think we also need to make a distinction here: are we talking about the Judeo-Christian God, or are we talking about any God, none in particular? Are we talking about the concept of a God? Or a specific God outlined in a particular religious text?

Any god or higher power really. I was simply using the Christian God in this sense as that it what most religious Australians believe in.

 

[IamBread]

Well I, for one, cannot believe something based on faith. I must see some kind of evidence for it. Even if it's just a mathematical model. I am very skeptical of a lot of things.

 

[soloooooo]

To the non believers: if you saw first hand with your own eyes someone perform a feat of extreme accomplishment (parting a sea etc) or witnessed a personal miracle would you then open your mind?

 

[soloooooo]

Well I, for one, cannot believe something based on faith. I must see some kind of evidence for it. Even if it's just a mathematical model. I am very skeptical of a lot of things.

Let me guess, you believe (incorrectly) that anthropogenic climate change is a real threat?

 

[Bored_of_HSC]

To the non believers: if you saw first hand with your own eyes someone perform a feat of extreme accomplishment (parting a sea etc) or witnessed a personal miracle would you then open your mind?

Why do you assume our mind isn't open?

And obviously, after scientific testing (and drug testing )

 

[IamBread]

Let me guess, you believe (incorrectly) that anthropogenic climate change is a real threat?

I don't really give a shit about climate change. I'm in the "don't care" section. I have not looked into it enough to really have a valid opinion on it.

 

[IamBread]

To the non believers: if you saw first hand with your own eyes someone perform a feat of extreme accomplishment (parting a sea etc) or witnessed a personal miracle would you then open your mind?

No. I would first see what other explanations there were, if it there weren't any, I would look into it and try to figure it out. It basically take od to come and slap me on the face and reveal himself to me for me to believe he existed.

 

[soloooooo]

Well I, for one, cannot believe something based on faith. I must see some kind of evidence for it. Even if it's just a mathematical model. I am very skeptical of a lot of things.

Do you believe in Aliens given the overwhelming circumstantial (although scientifically inconclusive) evidence?

 

[planino]

you realise its been taking god over 100,000 years to fix things and he isnt even close yet

How does the human body work so harmoniously and well? Why is Planet Earth so beautiful (you don't need a David Attenborough documentary to prove that)? Ultimately he only created the entire universe. The only rotten eggs are us, committing sin after sin everyday. God only does what's morally right by punishing us for the intentional sins we've committed. He is trying to neutralise everything, but ultimately it's up to us to try and minimise our intentional acts of sin. Everything else that is under his control is working perfectly. He has given us the intelligence to discern between right and wrong. What we do is up to us, not Him.

So in reality we should be fixing up our actions instead of blaming God for it all.

 

[IamBread]

Do you believe in Aliens given the overwhelming circumstantial (although scientifically inconclusive) evidence?

I do because of the mathematical evidence for it. It seems highly likely that they do exist.
And it's not only just that there is no evidence for God that I don't believe God exists, it's also the bizarre claim it makes.

 

[Annihilist]

To the non believers: if you saw first hand with your own eyes someone perform a feat of extreme accomplishment (parting a sea etc) or witnessed a personal miracle would you then open your mind?

Obviously. You can't deny what you see, and therefore what you have evidence for.
But the only "evidence" at the moment is unreliable at best, and is not a credible source of information. But if suddenly the evidence for Gods existence was clear, then I would have to change my mind. Otherwise I'm just being stupid and ignorant, like most Christians today.

Here's a quote from Tim Minchin's "Storm".

Science adjusts it’s views based on what’s observed
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved.
If you show me
That, say, homeopathy works,
Then I will change my mind
I’ll spin on a fucking dime
I’ll be embarrassed as hell,
But I will run through the streets yelling
It’s a miracle! Take physics and bin it!
Water has memory!
And while it’s memory of a long lost drop of onion juice is Infinite
It somehow forgets all the poo it’s had in it!
You show me that it works and how it works
And when I’ve recovered from the shock
I will take a compass and carve "Fancy That" on the side of my cock.”

 

[soloooooo]

How does the human body work so harmoniously and well? Why is Planet Earth so beautiful (you don't need a David Attenborough documentary to prove that)? Ultimately he only created the entire universe. The only rotten eggs are us, committing sin after sin everyday. God only does what's morally right by punishing us for the intentional sins we've committed. He is trying to neutralise everything, but ultimately it's up to us to try and minimise our intentional acts of sin. Everything else that is under his control is working perfectly. He has given us the intelligence to discern between right and wrong. What we do is up to us, not Him.

So in reality we should be fixing up our actions instead of blaming God for it all.

I wholeheartedly agree. No one is perfect although we can always strive to be better.

 

[planino]

I'm just going to point out that was your 666th post.

It takes much less work to prove God doesn't exist because the idea that God does exist is an affirmative proposition. To disprove God all you have to do is defunct the arguments for the existence of God. You just have to counter it.

I think we also need to make a distinction here: are we talking about the Judeo-Christian God, or are we talking about any God, none in particular? Are we talking about the concept of a God? Or a specific God outlined in a particular religious text?

I call God by the name of 'Krishna', but my posts refer to the personified concept of a God