Sy123
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So what that you're helping anybody?I believe that we should help the poor people now in this life because it is the only life they have
We're all going to perish in the heat death of the universe anyway, no hope for continuing civilizations, you helping those poor people is for naught, everything human beings do are for naught. There is no use in anything, life becomes absolutely absurd.
It doesn't stop them from helping out. Because alms-giving is a major part of Islam (and frankly every other religious faith). Religious people are encouraged to give to the poor, and to help the oppressed.and believing that poor oppressed people have salvation in the next life probably stops religious people from helping them out because they're probably thinking "the poors are fucked now but when they die they'll be having non-stop orgies with 72 virgins, they'll be fine".
Unlike atheistic naturalism, which views these poor children as part of the natural selection process
I'm not saying it has anything to do with morality, I'm just saying that to you, their part of the process of natural selection, these poor african children dying, are meant to die, they are the weaker race, and will be eventually cut out by natural selection.And natural selection explains how we got here, it has nothing whatsoever to do with morality. Let's now mourn how immoral earthquakes and tsunamis are.
What about masochists thenIf you're curious my moralities are mainly from the golden rule "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself".
What if I gave charity, but would rather not people give me charity when I'm poor because I don't want to be a burden on others? Am I committing immorality by giving charity?
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Also its entirely irrelevant what your morality premise is, what if someone doesn't agree with it? They call you immoral, and you call them immoral, so what has been achieved? Nothing, since everyone has an opinion.
So what, why does it matter that its a better survival tactic to be altruistic? (Also it is not always true)And there is a natural or darwinian explanation for morality and altruism, helping one person would mean that they would probably help you as well so there is a greater chance that you survive.
We can conceive of a world where the survival tactic is to torture the children of others.
How can this be a premise for morality?
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Again entirely irrelevant, what if I simply disagree with your morality
Again your immorality is subjective, so what is the use of calling something immoral?Your god's morality seems to include stoning adulterers, beheading appostates, flogging gays and fucking children. "God" seems more like a source of immorality .
The Prophet Muhammad did not have intercourse with children, so you're wrong there.
Children are people below the age of puberty in Islam, as stipulated by God and His Messenger. The Holy Messenger did not have intercourse with Aisha when she was a child.
As for the apostasy:
- Yes it is true that the classical opinion on the apostate must be killed
- However, the opinion of the Hanafi school of thought, which compromises the majority of Muslims today, are of the opinion that the apostate is not killed because he is an apostate (I say he since you cannot kill a female apostate), but because he proposes a threat to the Muslims, since he can easily change forces and be part of the enemy army.
So this execution would come forbidding the potential of what is called Hirabah
Hirabah is generally agreed to be spreading corruption and deceit in the land.
Hirabah is expressly condemned in the Holy Qur'an here:
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
- (5:33-34)
This is why only the male apostate is killed, and not female apostates, since female apostates in general do not pose a military threat to the Muslim rulers.
Whereas males are killed, but the important point here is that they are not killed because they are apostates, but because they represent a threat to Muslims, as such, private apostasy cannot even be convicted let alone punished.
This interpretation makes complete sense given the context of the saying of the Holy Messenger in which he says "...Whoever leaves his religion, kill him..."
Since this was a time of war, where people (historically reported) would apostate on purpose to deliver important military information to the polytheist arab leaders.
So this was a preventative measure against Hirabah, which lends support to this juristic verdict.
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Nevertheless it is entirely irrelevant, since you have no basis on which morality can be defined, whereas I do, which is, that God says its morally good, therefore it is morally good.