Does God exist? (14 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

Foolproof evidence?

If the Earth was the 4.4 billion years old, then since the magnetic field of the Earth has been decreasing at a decreasing rate, then using the most conservative calculations, assuming a linear decreasing rate, the magnetic field of the Earth would have been around the strength of that of a magnetic star.

Proof, evidence, wouldn't that magnetic field have completely ripped apart the
Earth

Uh, what the frak? What creationist bullshit is this?

The Earth is closer to 5 billion years old (the age of our sun; they were formed close together), and its magnetic field has not been "decreasing at a decreasing rate".


Also, wtf is a magnetic star?

 

[gibbo153]

It's crap, using the same principle, if the something needs to be designed, if it is deemed complex, then this would imply the designer would needed to be designed as well.

That + argument of poor design.

thats not really the same principle. the argument implies that complexity implies a designer. the implication of the designer is effectively of an omnipotent/omniscient being, not something which itself needed designing

Why? It's also important to note that evolution is not necessarily random. Mutations are random, but the preservation of useful mutations that lead to complex structures certainly isn't.

even with that noted, i still can't credit evolution to have caused the complexities of the universe we see today.

(to non-thiests generally) what are your opinions on the laws of the universe and how they could have come into existence

 

[-Danyan-]

So you haven't got time to learn and educate yourself.

See, this is why I not bothering.



Er, yes? How else would you explain how incorporation of another individual's DNA would begin? I don't see why this is a problem. It's a hypothesis, but a sound one.



Convenient, huh?

It's a sound hypothesis to believe that a cannibal started sex, aright, then how did that lead to sex cells, or a manner of having sex, and how is it possible that the DNA's mixed, I dont see my DNA being mixed with chicken's everytime I eat it. My DNA mixes with the DNA of everything I eat, great, my children shall be grain stalks; why didn't that happen before.

Oh and if you're going to say that the DNA mixed because they were the same species, sorry i didnt realise i have different digestive behaviour according to what i just ate

 

[nikolas]

Foolproof evidence?

If the Earth was the 4.4 billion years old, then since the magnetic field of the Earth has been decreasing at a decreasing rate, then using the most conservative calculations, assuming a linear decreasing rate, the magnetic field of the Earth would have been around the strength of that of a magnetic star.

Proof, evidence, wouldn't that magnetic field have completely ripped apart the
Earth

Shakespeare has pretty much nailed your argument.

But to give you a specific answer; every 55 thousand years or so the earths magnetosphere snaps, switches poles and basically resets. (think thats how it works anyways.)

 

[Will Shakespear]

thats not really the same principle. the argument implies that complexity implies a designer. the implication of the designer is effectively of an omnipotent/omniscient being, not something which itself needed designing



even with that noted, i still can't credit evolution to have caused the complexities of the universe we see today.

(to non-thiests generally) what are your opinions on the laws of the universe and how they could have come into existence

Argument from personal incredulity

• "I can't believe this is possible, so it can't be true." (The person is asserting that a proposition must be wrong because he or she is (or claims to be) unable or unwilling to fully consider that it might be true, or is unwilling to believe evidence which does not support her or his preferred view.)

 

[Kwayera]

thats not really the same principle. the argument implies that complexity implies a designer. the implication of the designer is effectively of an omnipotent/omniscient being, not something which itself needed designing

Wouldn't that imply that the ultimate "complex being", God, would himself require a creator?

even with that noted, i still can't credit evolution to have caused the complexities of the universe we see today.

Well, obviously evolution doesn't have much to do with star formation

(to non-thiests generally) what are your opinions on the laws of the universe and how they could have come into existence

You've got it the wrong way around. The universe came into existence the way it is because of those laws; the laws didn't come into existence because of the universe.

 

[-Danyan-]

ah, the temperature in NSW has been decreasing steadily for the last 6 hours

using the most conservative calculations, assuming a lienar decreasing rate, we should freeze to death by tomorrow afternoon

ah yes, i think looking at evidence of the solidified iron based rocks they can tell the strength of the magentic field at the time, your own science hits you back on that count

 

[nikolas]

(to non-thiests generally) what are your opinions on the laws of the universe and how they could have come into existence

Mate, this is nothing more than a thinly veiled "God of the gaps" argument.

 

[Will Shakespear]

It's a sound hypothesis to believe that a cannibal started sex, aright, then how did that lead to sex cells, or a manner of having sex, and how is it possible that the DNA's mixed, I dont see my DNA being mixed with chicken's everytime I eat it. My DNA mixes with the DNA of everything I eat, great, my children shall be grain stalks; why didn't that happen before.

Oh and if you're going to say that the DNA mixed because they were the same species, sorry i didnt realise i have different digestive behaviour according to what i just ate

YouTube - The Evolution of Sex

watch & learn

 

[Kwayera]

It's a sound hypothesis to believe that a cannibal started sex, aright, then how did that lead to sex cells, or a manner of having sex, and how is it possible that the DNA's mixed, I dont see my DNA being mixed with chicken's everytime I eat it. My DNA mixes with the DNA of everything I eat, great, my children shall be grain stalks; why didn't that happen before.

You're a lot more complex than a unicellular organism.

Oh and if you're going to say that the DNA mixed because they were the same species, sorry i didnt realise i have different digestive behaviour according to what i just ate

Stop being deliberately obtuse; it doesn't help your case.

 

[gibbo153]

Argument from personal incredulity

• "I can't believe this is possible, so it can't be true." (The person is asserting that a proposition must be wrong because he or she is (or claims to be) unable or unwilling to fully consider that it might be true, or is unwilling to believe evidence which does not support her or his preferred view.)

nah nah i wasn't using that as a proof for god, just my personal thought on her reply.

Mate, this is nothing more than a thinly veiled "God of the gaps" argument.

why did you quote the part you did then tool.

Well, obviously evolution doesn't have much to do with star formation

You've got it the wrong way around. The universe came into existence the way it is because of those laws; the laws didn't come into existence because of the universe.

haha yeah i know, i didn't mean star formation, just a general blanket statement.

yeah i know, again what do you credit the existence of these laws to

 

[-Danyan-]

Shakespeare has pretty much nailed your argument.

But to give you a specific answer; every 55 thousand years or so the earths magnetosphere snaps, switches poles and basically resets. (think thats how it works anyways.)

Mate its been decreasing, so your saying that the magnetic field thats been losing strength suddenly recharges, im not saying it doesnt swap, but the strength does not reset
thats violating the law of conservation of energy

 

[Kwayera]

ah yes, i think looking at evidence of the solidified iron based rocks they can tell the strength of the magentic field at the time, your own science hits you back on that count

Yeah, and if you'd actually looked at that data rather than relying on other people's interpretation/crap, you'd notice that the Earth's magnetic field fluctuates, "stronger" and "weaker" and flipping poles and lots of interesting activity.

 

[Kwayera]

Mate its been decreasing, so your saying that the magnetic field thats been losing strength suddenly recharges, im not saying it doesnt swap, but the strength does not reset
thats violating the law of conservation of energy

CD701: Decay of Earth's magnetic field

 

[Kwayera]

yeah i know, again what do you credit the existence of these laws to

Why do they require initiation of existence? The nature of particles themselves (for example) dictates the laws governing them. A law is not a thing.

 

[-Danyan-]

You're a lot more complex than a unicellular organism.



Stop being deliberately obtuse; it doesn't help your case.

Your not much more complex than a unicellular organism, I don't hear a scientific and evidence based reply, and go look up what a magnetic star is if you want to know so badly

and shakespeare, creationist bullshit, yp, were not the ones that believe cannibalism led to sex

 

[Kwayera]

Your not much more complex than a unicellular organism, I don't hear a scientific and evidence based reply, and go look up what a magnetic star is if you want to know so badly

and shakespeare, creationist bullshit, yp, were not the ones that believe cannibalism led to sex

There is no such thing as a specific 'magnetic star'. All stars have multiple magnetic poles, and associated magnetic fields.

I'm going to go ahead and assume you meant a "neutron" star, in which case, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[chaldoking]

Why can't people just be accepting of others beliefs?

If you choose to believe in no God - so be it.
If I choose to believe in a God - so be it.

 

[-Danyan-]

In either case its been a long day and I got my UAI today, so im off to relax a bit, we can argue again another day, look forward to it

 

[Will Shakespear]

Your not much more complex than a unicellular organism, I don't hear a scientific and evidence based reply, and go look up what a magnetic star is if you want to know so badly

and shakespeare, creationist bullshit, yp, were not the ones that believe cannibalism led to sex

FMD

Argument from personal incredulity

• "I can't believe this is possible, so it can't be true." (The person is asserting that a proposition must be wrong because he or she is (or claims to be) unable or unwilling to fully consider that it might be true, or is unwilling to believe evidence which does not support her or his preferred view.)

and watch the video, it's awesome