Does God exist? (5 Viewers)

[Explosions Hurt]

actually i competely disagree there is more evidence of the bible been Unaltered then been altered over time

Does this "evidence" happen to come from the Bible?

 

[want2bdifferent]

Does this "evidence" happen to come from the Bible?

no.
They have found Thousands of copies of the bible all are almost identicial, i mean Ancient copies, other then spelling mistakes, they are the same. a few hundred have little bits added, these bits are always in the footnotes e.t.c.

http://ottercomics.taur.net/monastery/sermons/bibleright.htm

is a good site to look at

 

[TacoTerrorist]

a) Implying that something 'supernatural' is at work is not to imply that a God exists.

So that means you're open to the idea of considering something's existence that is outside of what we know, i.e a diety.

c) It is a naturalistic explanation for the origin of our universe as we see it... flowing from our understanding of natural laws and empirical observations.

Yes but it is incomplete, and the only way to complete an understanding of the creation of the universe is to accept something that is irrational based on our current knowledge.

No it isn't, it perfectly follows the 'rules of the universe'... If you think otherwise explain to me which 'rule' of the universe it is in violation of?

The rule of common sense? The (not sure of the proper name) scientific principle and common sense principle that something cannot come from nothing.

Atheist: omg ur dum u beleev in a god ur retarted i dun beleev dat but i r belev that the universe has alwayz ben around even tho that is moar retarted then the beleef in god lololoo.

So which one is it?

1- God created the universe in its entirety (possible but irrational)
2- A god sparked the creation of the universe ( )
3- The universe as always there (retarded)
4- The universe created itself/was created from nothing (mind-blowingly retarded)

 

[Mojohi]

just a few questions...

Why is there no ascension in the gospel of matthew?

Why does the gospel of mark have two endings. One that mentions the ascension and one that doesnt?

Why is the only line that refers to the ascension in Luke not found in the early bibles?

And why does the gospel of John not even mention the ascension?

 

[Riet]

actually i competely disagree there is more evidence of the bible been Unaltered then been altered over time

That's funny since there are many versions of the bible that aren't the same.

 

[want2bdifferent]

So that means you're open to the idea of considering something's existence that is outside of what we know, i.e a diety.



Yes but it is incomplete, and the only way to complete an understanding of the creation of the universe is to accept something that is irrational based on our current knowledge.



The rule of common sense? The (not sure of the proper name) scientific principle and common sense principle that something cannot come from nothing.

Atheist: omg ur dum u beleev in a god ur retarted i dun beleev dat but i r belev that the universe has alwayz ben around even tho that is moar retarted then the beleef in god lololoo.

So which one is it?

1- God created the universe in its entirety (possible but irrational)
2- A god sparked the creation of the universe ( )
3- The universe as always there (retarded)
4- The universe created itself/was created from nothing (mind-blowingly retarded)

Your mentioning lots of scientific rules, the thing is God created the universe he doesnt need to abide by the rules of the world or of science HE MADE SCIENCE he does not need to abide by its rules.

 

[u-borat]

So which one is it?

1- God created the universe in its entirety (possible but irrational)
2- A god sparked the creation of the universe ( )
3- The universe as always there (retarded)
4- The universe created itself/was created from nothing (mind-blowingly retarded)

1. fail.
2. possible.
3. fail.
4. you're mindblowingly deluded if you think that's retarded.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Atheist: omg ur dum u beleev in a god ur retarted i dun beleev dat but i r belev that the universe has alwayz ben around even tho that is moar retarted then the beleef in god lololoo.

why won't you share your views with us?

 

[TacoTerrorist]

4. you're mindblowingly deluded if you think that's retarded.

You think that SOMETHING can come from NOTHING? You are a fucking moron. If I have a jar, filled with nothing, not even oxygen, just nothing. And I leave it for fucking eternity the inside of the jar is not going to grow intelligence, lifeforms, anything. Nothing will happen inside the jar.

why won't you share your views with us?

I have, a bunch of pages back.

 

[want2bdifferent]

Share your beliefs then, sunshine. Most of the fundie tards here think atheists are into devil worship and paedophilia.

umm no we dont. That just shows that you have no idea about us

 

[Riet]

umm no we dont. That just shows that you have no idea about us

You don't count as a person. Please leave this thread immediately.

 

[want2bdifferent]

just a few questions...

Why is there no ascension in the gospel of matthew?

Why does the gospel of mark have two endings. One that mentions the ascension and one that doesnt?

Why is the only line that refers to the ascension in Luke not found in the early bibles?

And why does the gospel of John not even mention the ascension?

1 the ascention is also in acts.

I am still looking in to all of this.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

You think that SOMETHING can come from NOTHING? You are a fucking moron. If I have a jar, filled with nothing, not even oxygen, just nothing. And I leave it for fucking eternity the inside of the jar is not going to grow intelligence, lifeforms, anything. Nothing will happen inside the jar.

that's not necessarily true, if you leave it there for eternity something could come into existence spontaneously

maybe an entire universe

 

[Enteebee]

So that means you're open to the idea of considering something's existence that is outside of what we know, i.e a diety.

No... I reject everything supernatural. I was merely pointing out that even if you could establish that there is a need for something supernatural, it need not be a god. If you want to define anything supernatural as a God then OK sure call it a God.

The rule of common sense? The (not sure of the proper name) scientific principle and common sense principle that something cannot come from nothing.

Things coming from other things etc are concepts which only make 'common sense' within the world of causation/time. At time=0 to speak of such things is completely irrational.

Atheist: omg ur dum u beleev in a god ur retarted i dun beleev dat but i r belev that the universe has alwayz ben around even tho that is moar retarted then the beleef in god lololoo.

So which one is it?

1- God created the universe in its entirety (possible but irrational)
2- A god sparked the creation of the universe ( )
3- The universe as always there (retarded)
4- The universe created itself/was created from nothing (mind-blowingly retarded)

There are other options but I'm leaning more towards 3, our universe has always been there in some sense (if not our universe then some universe which spawned ours down the line).

IMO you should stop calling people 'retards' it just makes you look rather foolish... No one is impressed by your ability to lather your weak arguments with childish insults.

You think that SOMETHING can come from NOTHING? You are a fucking moron. If I have a jar, filled with nothing, not even oxygen, just nothing. And I leave it for fucking eternity the inside of the jar is not going to grow intelligence, lifeforms, anything. Nothing will happen inside the jar.

The entire concept of "coming" even from "nothing" is rooted in time. At time=0 things do not 'come' into existence, they are.

 

[Mojohi]

That's funny since there are many versions of the bible that aren't the same.

Completely agree. And what about mistranslations

Like the Virgin Mary. Bethulah in hebrew means= Virgin, as in havent had sex yet

Almah was the word mistranslated to bethulah, meaning= young women.

Pretty minor mistranslation but you will agree that although they both mean virgin technically, their differences are major.

 

[want2bdifferent]

Everyone is saying something can not come from nothing right?

We are talking about God here, he can do anything, he doesnt need something to create something.

 

[want2bdifferent]

Completely agree. And what about mistranslations

Like the Virgin Mary. Bethulah in hebrew means= Virgin, as in havent had sex yet

Almah was the word mistranslated to bethulah, meaning= young women.

Pretty minor mistranslation but you will agree that although they both mean virgin technically, their differences are major.

read the website I posted in the previous page

going to lunch

 

[Riet]

Everyone is saying something can not come from nothing right?

We are talking about God here, he can do anything, he doesnt need something to create something.

I didn't say that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

 

[Riet]

read the website I posted in the previous page

going to lunch

That is entirely fictionalized.

 

[Mojohi]

read the website I posted in the previous page

going to lunch

It doesnt mention mistranslations. Stephen Hawking somes up God pretty well.