does *anyone* even want (2 Viewers)

[Funky Monk]

in the same sentence?

 

[SylviaB]

YES I want it

the greens hate it and the cooperation of the main parties has really pissed off bob brown

anything that weakens the greens is fine in my book

 

[zombie omie jay]

you know what would weaken the greens a *lot*

if abbot would stop saying stop the boats and would come up with a solid plan for onshore processing

no one who supports him now will stop and he will gain heaps of swinging voters, who all hate him saying stop the boats

he will get back some votes they lost ot the greens because a lot of people voted for them because they couldnt vote for stop the boats because its the single most retarded thing in the history of this country

 

[Chemical Ali]

Onshore processing fails the Lindsay test.

Majority opinion is irrelevant. Policy has to appeal to the bogans in outer suburban marginal seats.

I wonder how the left wing media would like this quote from a real live Liberal Party member...

 

[Rafy]

From today's Nielsen poll:

'The poll also finds that more than half - 54 per cent - of voters favour the onshore processing of asylum seekers who arrive by boat, while only 25 per cent favour the position of the main parties to send them overseas"

http://www.theage.com.au/national/voters-say-no-to-offshore-process-20110911-1k49e.html

 

[L]

offshore processing


its like both major parties have made it their main priority to ensure we have offshore processing
but even the most moronic people i have spoken to recently, do not want it
the overwhelming majority of people are in favour of onshore processing

idgi are the major parties that stupid

seriously mate you arent clever you're a fat stupid peasant in real life

 

[zombie omie jay]

seriously mate you arent clever you're a fat stupid peasant in real life

i am pretty clever though

 

[L]

ok m8

 

[cosmo kramer]

i think we should increase the annaul number of asylum seekers to 500,000 per year

make sure theyre all sudanese and sub-saharan africans

iq test them and dont let any of them seek asylum if their iqs are above 75

send them to places where asylum seeker boosters live

move them in to the north shore

build them public housing estates 50 stories tall and give them them for free

move them to vauclase

basically flood australia with africans

100% serious about this

 

[kaz1]

i think we should increase the annaul number of asylum seekers to 500,000 per year

make sure theyre all sudanese and sub-saharan africans

iq test them and dont let any of them seek asylum if their iqs are above 75

send them to places where asylum seeker boosters live

move them in to the north shore

build them public housing estates 50 stories tall and give them them for free

move them to vauclase

basically flood australia with africans

100% serious about this

at least we'll be good at sports

 

[Lolsmith]

you mean long distance running

which is hardly a sport

 

[funkshen]

I already know of one Sudanese family living in my beloved North Shore, that's more than enough thank you Mr Kramer.

 

[kaz1]

you mean long distance running

which is hardly a sport

also short distance if we give asylum to west africans and probably basketball

 

[Chemical Ali]

a rogue party changing the laws to avoid our UN obligations against the will of the majority...

but why won't the media ever take that angle?

 

[Lentern]

I've done a fair bit of reading on this issue and essentially, as I understand, people are concerned with the ends not the means of the policy and will only approve of policies which cause or correlate with a slowing of boat arrivals. They even seem largely unconcerned with the proportion of boat people who get to stay after arriving, just the number that arrives. Most of the research I've seen suggests boat arrivals are more about push factors than pull factors but that's neither here nor there; the point is that the boats did stop when the policy which Tony Abbott advocates was in place and until that policy is adopted and fails or an alternative one is adopted and the boats stop people will associate the coalition with better border control than the government.

Rudd's strategy was to downplay the issue, avoid talking about it where possible and where it was unavoidable he'd try and neutralize the issue, infer that pull factors weren't very important, that there was "no silver bullet" etc. In my opinion this was the smarter way to deal with it. The Gillard strategy has been to try and deprive the coalition of the political argument by adopting a parallel policy to their own, processing in Malaysia or East Timor for example. What it did was it unravelled all the efforts of Rudd to downplay the pull factors and firmly embedded in the psyche of voters who give a damn about border security, the idea that a tough policy of offshore processing can deter boat arrivals and in doing so reaffirmed the public confidence in Nauru as a suitable solution. Had the government quickly and efficiently had an offshore processing system of their own in stock they might not have lost too much political capital but by changing tact before the policy was in place they have been haemorrhaging it ever since.

If you ask a person, even a spectacularly racist and stupid person where they should be processed they probably don't really care. But if you ask them the two question trick: Do you want less boats? Which of these two policies do you think is more likely to deter boat arrivals? You can see why there is this pathetic race to the bottom by both Gillard and Abbott.

 

[cosmo kramer]

push factors not pull factors

what the fuck lnetern talk like a person

 

[cosmo kramer]

you mean long distance running

which is hardly a sport

long distance running is kenyans particularly kalenjin kenyans

i dont think many refugees come from there

 

[zombie omie jay]

push factors mate
fucking wars in afghanistan etc displacing people making them seek asylum in guess where

pull factors, open borders saying omg you poor things, leave that bad place, come here, free $$$

 

[Chemical Ali]

considering that most things in politics can usually be explained by money

does anyone know how much serco donate to the major parties?

 

[zombie omie jay]

hahaha m8