Do you think climate change is real, and man made? (2 Viewers)

[Rothbard]

What's changed since August is it looks like the greens are wholeheartedly swallowing up the labor-left base.

 

[Lentern]

The concessions JG gave to the greens to pass this scheme are nowhere near as great of fundamental as the amendments Rudd offered Turnbull from the original Garnaut report.

 

[Chemical Ali]

The worst thing that might come out of this is not the lying, or the effects of a carbon tax (if you see that as a bad thing)

but the stronger possibility of Bill fucking Shorten taking over the country

 

[Azure]

What's changed since August is it looks like the greens are wholeheartedly swallowing up the labor-left base.

This, and

The worst thing that might come out of this is not the lying, or the effects of a carbon tax (if you see that as a bad thing)

but the stronger possibility of Bill fucking Shorten taking over the country

this.

 

[Lentern]

The worst thing that might come out of this is not the lying, or the effects of a carbon tax (if you see that as a bad thing)

but the stronger possibility of Bill fucking Shorten taking over the country

Shorten is an opportunistic, a liar and a hack but he's also one of the brightest and most talented members of the parliament. If the alternative is Julia Gillard I think Australia would be better serve by Shorten. Also Gillard cooperates with thte factions, she is not Rees or Rudd who will centralize power in the hands of a select few to box them out and as such a spill against Gillard would be much more difficult to pull off. Shorten as the Brendan/Beazley leader of the opposition is more likely.

 

[Chemical Ali]

CO2
two parts oxygen to one part carbon.
Why doesn’t Gillard call it her
“Oxygen Tax”?

 

[davidbarnes]

Shorten is an opportunistic, a liar and a hack but he's also one of the brightest and most talented members of the parliament. If the alternative is Julia Gillard I think Australia would be better serve by Shorten. Also Gillard cooperates with thte factions, she is not Rees or Rudd who will centralize power in the hands of a select few to box them out and as such a spill against Gillard would be much more difficult to pull off. Shorten as the Brendan/Beazley leader of the opposition is more likely.

Greg Combet is another potential for next prime minister also.

 

[davidbarnes]

CO2
two parts oxygen to one part carbon.
Why doesn’t Gillard call it her
“Oxygen Tax”?

Its not a tax, it is an essential step towards mankinds survival and future. How can you say you don't want Earth to be viable for your grand children or future generations? As by opposing emissions reduction, you are effectively doing this.

 

[funkshen]

CO2
two parts oxygen to one part carbon.
Why doesn’t Gillard call it her
“Oxygen Tax”?

I read that whole fucking column.


It liquified my brain.

 

[Azure]

Its not a tax, it is an essential step towards mankinds survival and future. How can you say you don't want Earth to be viable for your grand children or future generations? As by opposing emissions reduction, you are effectively doing this.

Gillard has been calling it a tax since she announced it.

 

[Chemical Ali]

I read that whole fucking column.


It liquified my brain.

hilarious right wing talking points are the best part of this debate

 

[Chemical Ali]

on Abbott supporting some form of emission reduction program (direct action):
The only choice we have today is between Lefties and Lefties-lite. When the opposition party are just as much true believers in the AGW religion, what real choice do we have? Even if the coalition win the next election, they will find a way to introduce their own version of this idiocy.

This whole AGW thing is merely another symptom of the meme of the “wicked West” - we are all racist, sexist, war-mongering capitalists, and we must not only apologise for our existence but actively try and commit cultural and economic genocide at every opportunity.

I am so sick of the gutless, self-loathing, PC attitude that rules the West today. Any other self-confident culture that comes along will have no trouble in pushing the West into the gutter of history, and we will thoroughly deserve it.

 

[Lentern]

Greg Combet is another potential for next prime minister also.

No Combet is a candidate for next ALP leader, presumably in the event that Julia loses and Shorten doesn't nominate. Greg Combet is like Wayne Swan on valium, he will never be prime minister.

 

[davidbarnes]

No Combet is a candidate for next ALP leader, presumably in the event that Julia loses and Shorten doesn't nominate. Greg Combet is like Wayne Swan on valium, he will never be prime minister.

Combet will be prime minister one day, within the next 10 years.

 

[Lentern]

Combet will be prime minister one day, within the next 10 years.

Give me five points that make him a superior choice to all of the below:

-Julia Gillard
-Bill Shorten
-Stephen Smith
-Tanya Plibersek
-Tony Burke

 

[Chemical Ali]

It doesn’t matter what the evidence says about planetary warming or cooling. The science is irrelevant in what is actually a financial and political ‘power grab’.

This ‘carbon’ tax is absolutely required by the world’s financial system in order to recapitalise the entire global banking system, which is itself bankrupt due to massive (and still hidden) derivative gambles gone wrong. The system would be in default if it were not for the cover-up.

The ‘carbon’ tax also has the impact of taking important food sources out of production - as per the Murray water buy backs. This debate is ultimately about ‘population control’ and, as per Dr. Henry Kissinger’s 1970’s National Security Memorandum paper - NSM 200 - it is about using ‘food’ as a weapon.

So, the more you continue to dwell on how ‘wrong’ the science is you are missing the point - the science does not matter. Its the perceived (over)population and the recapitalisation of the banking system that is driving this thing. Why on earth do you think Malcom Turnbull ( I call him the Member for Goldman Sachs), who is no dummy and would recognise the scam of the science, is a supporter of the ETS/Carbon tax idea?

Why? Because it goes beyond your fixation witht the science and into the real power play - money and the control of the population. Duh!

 

[funkshen]

Carbon tax, and then carbohydrate tax.

Population control.

What element is next?

 

[zombie omie jay]

i will nevr go hungry even if theres a fire

 

[funkshen]

i will nevr go hungry even if theres a fire

what if your food is on fire

 

[zombie omie jay]

then it will be nice and warm and cooked for me