Do you support high levels of Immigration (1 Viewer)

[Sathius005]

Immigrants are said to flood the country as a result of federal Labor's increased skill immigration and increased refugee intake. Australia is a nation that was built on the blood, sweat and tears of immigrants. The back bone of Australia is immigration. Do you support a population target that is going to be above 40 million by 2050? Australia's population is growing at the size of Adelaide every three years. Is this sustainable?

 

[LANADELREY]

Australia is a nation that was built on the blood, sweat and tears of immigrants. The back bone of Australia is immigration.

Maybe true. A relevant question is: what kind of immigration? Not all immigrants are created equal. Australia wasn't just built by "immigrants" - it was built by European immigrants - who, apart from East Asians, have over the years built the best countries and societies. Look at majority-black cities in the US. They are.. not doing too well. Blacks in the US also make up a hugely disproportionate chunk of the violent crimes.

Different groups also (on average) hold different beliefs that can shape how the members act. For example look at how European-majority and East Asian-majority countries are different to Arab and Muslim countries when it comes to how they view women. If you're a girl in Turkey and one of your family members finds out that you simply talked to a boy, or maybe had sex with him or that a boy got you pregnant, it occurs to the men there to kill the girl as a punishment.

Some statistics for Turkey:

According to governmental statistics, at least two hundred (200) die in the name of honor each year; this number constitutes half of all murders in Turkey (Navai 2009, 1). In Istanbul alone, at least one person dies as a result of honor killing weekly (Black 2008, 3).

A June 2008 report by Turkey's Human Rights Directorate says that in Istanbul alone, there is one honour killing every week and over 1,000 were killed during the last five years.

A survey carried out among university students on honour killings showed that in two universities around 30 percent of students thought such crimes were normal. In other universities the rate ranged from 3 to 19 percent.

Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Honor_Related_Violence_(Turkey)

Obviously not all Turkish men do this, but because of cultural/religious differences, it happens more often there (and in all Islamic countries) than in any European-majority or East Asian-majority country. So obviously immigrants bring these ideas and honor killings are committed by immigrants in Western countries.

The Sydney gang rapes were also committed by men who cited their religion (Islam) as part of the explanation for why they did it.

So basically any public policy decision on immigration depends on what people you're talking about.

 

[hayabusaboston]

Maybe true. A relevant question is: what kind of immigration? Not all immigrants are created equal. Australia wasn't just built by "immigrants" - it was built by European immigrants - who, apart from East Asians, have over the years built the best countries and societies. Look at majority-black cities in the US. They are.. not doing too well. Blacks in the US also make up a hugely disproportionate chunk of the violent crimes.

Different groups also (on average) hold different beliefs that can shape how the members act. For example look at how European-majority and East Asian-majority countries are different to Arab and Muslim countries when it comes to how they view women. If you're a girl in Turkey and one of your family members finds out that you simply talked to a boy, or maybe had sex with him or that a boy got you pregnant, it occurs to the men there to kill the girl as a punishment.

Some statistics for Turkey:






Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Honor_Related_Violence_(Turkey)

Obviously not all Turkish men do this, but because of cultural/religious differences, it happens more often there (and in all Islamic countries) than in any European-majority or East Asian-majority country. So obviously immigrants bring these ideas and honor killings are committed by immigrants in Western countries.

The Sydney gang rapes were also committed by men who cited their religion (Islam) as part of the explanation for why they did it.

So basically any public policy decision on immigration depends on what people you're talking about.

Now here we have a smart lad. I like you landerley!

 

[Bremjo96]

I can comfortably say I do not support population growth, not that this view has anything to do with immigrants. The fact that we are growing and that world population is growing is ridiculous. We are already at the starting point of unsustainability. For instance ask yourself this if some of the major sources of income for Australia come from Mining, and Infrastructural Developments what will happen when these stop? We know that mining will not last forever, and we can only keep creating new infrastructure so long as the population increases and obviously the government wants to keep this going. But eventually the population will no longer be able to increase and that will be the day when we will no longer be able support it, when this happens hundreds if not thousands will likely starve and thousands more will be unemployed, turning Australia into a third world country. Now I know that these views a very dramatic but unless we have a plan as to what we will to do to keep the country running (i.e. employment & energy sources) without increasing population size (creating food supply issues) even without immigrants, I believe that Australian society as well as the rest of society will never be truly sustainable.

 

[Kiraken]

Maybe true. A relevant question is: what kind of immigration? Not all immigrants are created equal. Australia wasn't just built by "immigrants" - it was built by European immigrants - who, apart from East Asians, have over the years built the best countries and societies. Look at majority-black cities in the US. They are.. not doing too well. Blacks in the US also make up a hugely disproportionate chunk of the violent crimes.

Different groups also (on average) hold different beliefs that can shape how the members act. For example look at how European-majority and East Asian-majority countries are different to Arab and Muslim countries when it comes to how they view women. If you're a girl in Turkey and one of your family members finds out that you simply talked to a boy, or maybe had sex with him or that a boy got you pregnant, it occurs to the men there to kill the girl as a punishment.

Some statistics for Turkey:






Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Honor_Related_Violence_(Turkey)

Obviously not all Turkish men do this, but because of cultural/religious differences, it happens more often there (and in all Islamic countries) than in any European-majority or East Asian-majority country. So obviously immigrants bring these ideas and honor killings are committed by immigrants in Western countries.

The Sydney gang rapes were also committed by men who cited their religion (Islam) as part of the explanation for why they did it.

So basically any public policy decision on immigration depends on what people you're talking about.

that's pretty much racist bullshit veiled in pseudo-intellectuality

There are a lot of people from different cultures who fit in perfectly with Australian society.

Also I'm quite sure Turkey has about 2300 murders every year on average, so 200 is hardly "half", puts your entire statistic in doubt, particularly since your source is wikiislam. A brief read of the site shows it's hardly the most reliable source.

I don't think Islam even remotely condones rape, nor does any culture I know of, so the issue behind the rapes was probably more to do with some sick twisted personal way of thinking rather than a cultural ideology.

 

[TheEntrepreneur]

LANADELRAY you are a racist and should jump

 

[lovelyaid]

I say no to foreigners.

 

[SuchSmallHands]

I'm an Irish immigrant and I've topped my year consistently since year seven. I want to become a lawyer and live and work in Australia. I'm fairly certain that I will go on to contribute much more to the economy than a lot of the Australian-born people I know. The population of Australia is tiny, we can certainly support more. Though it should be done incrementally, to want to suddenly double the population is foolish as it will require massive adjustments to infrastructure. I believe immigrants are necessary for Australia, the baby-boomers are leaving an increasingly large hole that simply needs to be filled, as well as ceasing to pay income tax and relying more and more upon the public health system.

 

[SylviaB]

I believe immigrants are necessary for Australia, the baby-boomers are leaving an increasingly large hole that simply needs to be filled, as well as ceasing to pay income tax and relying more and more upon the public health system.

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[soloooooo]

It certainly isn't sustainable.

 

[townie]

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I don't want to get into an argument, but I'm genuinely curious as to what you find wrong with this statement. I don't think it's debatable that the population is aging, and from that it necessarily follows that health costs will increase (unless we show huge increases in medical science, which I suppose isn't impossible). I'm genuinely interested in your counter point?

 

[soloooooo]

Maybe true. A relevant question is: what kind of immigration? Not all immigrants are created equal. Australia wasn't just built by "immigrants" - it was built by European immigrants - who, apart from East Asians, have over the years built the best countries and societies. Look at majority-black cities in the US. They are.. not doing too well. Blacks in the US also make up a hugely disproportionate chunk of the violent crimes.

Different groups also (on average) hold different beliefs that can shape how the members act. For example look at how European-majority and East Asian-majority countries are different to Arab and Muslim countries when it comes to how they view women. If you're a girl in Turkey and one of your family members finds out that you simply talked to a boy, or maybe had sex with him or that a boy got you pregnant, it occurs to the men there to kill the girl as a punishment.

Some statistics for Turkey:






Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Honor_Related_Violence_(Turkey)

Obviously not all Turkish men do this, but because of cultural/religious differences, it happens more often there (and in all Islamic countries) than in any European-majority or East Asian-majority country. So obviously immigrants bring these ideas and honor killings are committed by immigrants in Western countries.

The Sydney gang rapes were also committed by men who cited their religion (Islam) as part of the explanation for why they did it.

So basically any public policy decision on immigration depends on what people you're talking about.

It is not politically correct perhaps, although I also agree with the general gist here.

Limited immigration from certain countries who share similar cultural values and standard of life to most of us in Australia is fine.

It is not about race or skin colour (which don't matter), it is about culture.

 

[SylviaB]

I'm genuinely interested in your counter point?

because letting in more of the type of people that are currently restricted won't help and will probably make it worse

I'm all for more european/north-east asian immigration, but low-skill brownsters who have 5 kids will just exacerbate the situation

 

[LANADELREY]

It is not politically correct perhaps, although I also agree with the general gist here.

Limited immigration from certain countries who share similar cultural values and standard of life to most of us in Australia is fine.

It is not about race or skin colour (which don't matter), it is about culture.

It's about both. Race and culture matter. Skin colour is irrelevant.

 

[soloooooo]

It's about both. Race and culture matter. Skin colour is irrelevant.

I don't think race matters either. For example, there are people of Chinese background who are 3rd generation proud australians and as Aussie as anyone else.

Culture (including where you were born/raised) is what sets people apart.

 

[LANADELREY]

Compare majority Black places to majority Chinese places.

 

[Lolsmith]

I don't want to get into an argument, but I'm genuinely curious as to what you find wrong with this statement. I don't think it's debatable that the population is aging, and from that it necessarily follows that health costs will increase (unless we show huge increases in medical science, which I suppose isn't impossible). I'm genuinely interested in your counter point?

de-socialise medicine

 

[hayabusaboston]

people who call out "racist-fuck yourself"==>retards who have nothing to argue and thus decide to say "racist cunt" back. And they feel good about themselves too! lol.

 

[soloooooo]

Compare majority Black places to majority Chinese places.

Again, culture can explain this. I don't know what you describe as a black place, although I am sure there are plenty of nice areas largely inhibited by well raised black people in Britain etc.

I know where I would rather live.

 

[LANADELREY]

I am sure there are plenty of nice areas largely inhibited by well raised black people in Britain etc.

Well, you can't just go and suggest public policy changes (e.g. re immigration) based off what sounds like a guess. The general rule around the world is that majority-black places suck on every social measure, so the burden of proof should be on you to show that there are nice black places. I'm going to bed.