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_ShiFTy_

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I am currently in YR12 and i have become increasingly interested in Engineering. My subjects for my HSC include Math MX1&2 and Physics. I have had a general interest in "how things work" and all that construction type stuff since i was little kid and i enjoy the mathematical side of things...So i have a couple of questions:

1) Assumed Knowledge - Is Chemistry really necessary?

2) There are so many types of fields: Geotechinal/structural/construction/environmental...what are the differences

3) USYD or UNSW? USYD has a higher UAI entry cut off but from what i've read, its just because there are less places?

4) Employment opportunities? I have a friend who has undertaken some sort of engineering as is now doing an "upgrade" course thingy for another 3 years, making a total of 7 years. Are there any follow up courses or something of that nature for civil engineering?
 

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1) No. Most others don't have it either.

2) Civil Engineering covers:

- Structural = design of structures
- Construction Management = managing the whole process of turning the design into the final product.
- Geotech = ground engineering (tunnels, slope stability (new slopes and landslides), foundations, retaining walls, roads, dams etc.)
- Water = everything to do with water (water supply and treatment, waste water removal and treatment, coastal and river management)
- Transport - planning future transportation options e.g. where are new roads, ports, airports required, how big etc

All good Civil type degree cover all these areas and then you specialise in one or two in the later years. You must understand the basics of all the areas as they are all interrelated. Degrees that say things like Civil (structural) just mean you do the structural electives at the end. You can do the same thing with the straight Civil degree by choosing the electives in that area. You actually get more choice doing the straight Civil and can make your decision on where to major once you've learnt the basics of all the areas.

Not all unis are experts in all areas. The bigger the uni (number of staff in Civil) the broader the degree and the more you learn about each area. UNSW for example covers all in detail. Smaller unis concentrate in two or three areas and only teach small amounts of the other areas. Best to do your own research here.

Environmental Engineering is a separate degree at UNSW where you do a combination of science related subjects, civil subjects (mainly geotech, water, transport) and sustainability type subjects (there is a new syllabus this year). This is a proper Environmental degree and trains you to solve environmental problems. Some unis have environmental degrees that are based more on industrial chemistry applications. Some unis have a degree like Civil (Environmental) this is just a Civil degree with some electives in the environmental area. Again do some research here to find out the difference amongst unis. Environmental definitely needs chemistry much more than physics.

3) Ignore UAI - basically every uni has a way of artificially inflating the quoted UAI. It is not an indication of the lowest UAI in the course. As you say it is also affected by number of places and other factors. Sydney and UNSW will have the students with the best UAIs and that's more important than the cutoffs cited.

Both unis will get you jobs - theres a huge demand so it's not that hard. They have different specialities and you should research this and what you might like to do before you make a choice. They have different atmospheres so visit each to see which you prefer. Note that UNSW has the bigger Civil and Environmental School with more staff and has the best reputation for Engineering.

4) As stated above there are plenty of jobs - there is a world wide shortage of civil engineers.

Your undergraduate dgree teaches you the basics and how to solve problems. It does not teach you everything (that would be impossible in a 4 year degree). Many Civil engineers become specialist consultants in which case they often wish to specialise more to give themselves an edge. This is usually done at UNSW (only place in Oz for many of the areas) by doing a MEngSc course (1 year full-time but usually done 2 years part-time whilst working). The MEngSc course is done in the area of your specialisation and gives you advanced coursework in that area. Normally you might start one or two years after you graduate with a BE when you have some practical experience. Often your company will contribute to fees.

Of course, if you like a challenge and are smart enough, you can always do a PhD in your area of preference.

There are many non-award seminars/short courses/conferences/industry talks etc that Civil Engineers go on to also improve their knowledge throughout their career.
 

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_ShiFTy_ said:
I am currently in YR12 and i have become increasingly interested in Engineering. My subjects for my HSC include Math MX1&2 and Physics. I have had a general interest in "how things work" and all that construction type stuff since i was little kid and i enjoy the mathematical side of things...So i have a couple of questions:

1) Assumed Knowledge - Is Chemistry really necessary?

2) There are so many types of fields: Geotechinal/structural/construction/environmental...what are the differences

3) USYD or UNSW? USYD has a higher UAI entry cut off but from what i've read, its just because there are less places?

4) Employment opportunities? I have a friend who has undertaken some sort of engineering as is now doing an "upgrade" course thingy for another 3 years, making a total of 7 years. Are there any follow up courses or something of that nature for civil engineering?

usyd is shit ,most employers who have employed their graduates complain about having too much theory and no relation to work,go for uts(they have 1 year work experience ) or unsw.

Note 2005 cut offs for both unsw and uts for all engineering was 85
 

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ioniser said:
usyd is shit ,most employers who have employed their graduates complain about having too much theory and no relation to work,go for uts(they have 1 year work experience ) or unsw.

Note 2005 cut offs for both unsw and uts for all engineering was 85
But a UTS degree takes an extra year. After 5 years a UNSW graduate has 1 year GRADUATE experience. Whereas the UTS student is just graduating. Therefore the UNSW graduate after 5 years is well ahead of a UTS one.
 

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yeah that is sought of true ,but the internship at uts is divided into 2 x 6 months paid work experience in full season (not vaccation(which i have asked employers ,they prefer internships to be done during full season not vacction where the load of work to do is not at its up most)).Moreover UTS has the best employment rate of 93 percent for graduates in engineering ,and 89 percent already have jobs before they graduate and not only that more than half dont enter as normal engineers but management engineers,so this pretty much says you are not doing extra9as the 1 year extra is going to work not theory stuff)


where as unsw do their internship thingy on vaccation i think(someone correct me).On their+side though I ve seen the work unsw do ,their maths seems alot harder than uts's,so their standards are higher,this has a big plus becasue i think this can help with an engineer in the long term in exceeding in the industry as they will have a stronger background


so yeah uts good for employment in the begining and unsw good for deeper education which is good for long term
 
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but in the end, no civil engineer should have trouble finding a job unless they're a complete moron
 

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elfm said:
but in the end, no civil engineer should have trouble finding a job unless they're a complete moron

oh being a unsw wanker period, by the time u graduate u will become a wanker like the lectuerers there and u wont eva get a job for being a wanker


2 the bosses passing uni is nothing more than a peice of paper, its wat expieence u got they care
 

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KD said:
But a UTS degree takes an extra year. After 5 years a UNSW graduate has 1 year GRADUATE experience. Whereas the UTS student is just graduating. Therefore the UNSW graduate after 5 years is well ahead of a UTS one.

ur assumeing ur gonna find a job from day 1 and u gotta be stupid to think that
 

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_ShiFTy_ said:
1) Assumed Knowledge - Is Chemistry really necessary?
Not for UNSW wankers, they dont know shit ever, so if you're a dumbass you should still be right to get in. so whether its chemistry knowledge or knowledge on how to shovel shit, you should be pretty right. I wouldn tworry about it

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2) There are so many types of fields: Geotechinal/structural/construction/environmental...what are the differences?
yes there are ... wow! how very observant of you , prick


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3) USYD or UNSW? USYD has a higher UAI entry cut off but from what i've read, its just because there are less places?
USYD all the way dont join the UNSW elite squad for fucking retards

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4) Employment opportunities? I have a friend who has undertaken some sort of engineering as is now doing an "upgrade" course thingy for another 3 years, making a total of 7 years. Are there any follow up courses or something of that nature for civil engineering?
the only think that UNSW is goo for is follow through... they leave their skidmarks all over town and they stink, and when they fuck shit up they leave it to the rest of us to clean
 

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Not for UNSW wankers, they dont know shit ever, so if you're a dumbass you should still be right to get in. so whether its chemistry knowledge or knowledge on how to shovel shit, you should be pretty right. I wouldn tworry about it



yes there are ... wow! how very observant of you , prick




USYD all the way dont join the UNSW elite squad for fucking retards



the only think that UNSW is goo for is follow through... they leave their skidmarks all over town and they stink, and when they fuck shit up they leave it to the rest of us to clean
What the hell is your problem? You can't even spell properly yet you are ripping on UNSW engineering students....
 
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What the hell is your problem? You can't even spell properly yet you are ripping on UNSW engineering students....
I've found two reasons why unsw engineering students are fucked and lie about everything

1.Last edited by donrob15 : 16 May 2006 at 9:15 PM. - faker if you pay out other peoples spelling then wouldn't you need to edit you post...fuck face

2. i found also that u can fast track you uni degree by doing 2 subjects in your internships hence allowing you to get one years exp, six months faster than the typical unsw wanker.
 

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Hi i am currently HSC student and i am interested in doing civil engineering at UNSW or USYD. I do chemistry however i do not do physics. Am i at a severe disadvantage? Is it possible to do the course without physics? What can i do if it is not? Thanks. your help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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unsw - for physics...yes you are indeed you can try to do a bridging course but apparently it wont really help u pass but i believe u can take up a subject that will allow you to get the foundation physics skill however it will be counted as an elective

usyd - for physics.... yes you are also as they dont have flexabilty

uts - for physics....they spilt up physics over two semesters if you want to, its for ppl who don't wanna waste their electives and the failure rate for it is next to zero
 

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I've found two reasons why unsw engineering students are fucked and lie about everything

1.Last edited by donrob15 : 16 May 2006 at 9:15 PM. - faker if you pay out other peoples spelling then wouldn't you need to edit you post...fuck face

2. i found also that u can fast track you uni degree by doing 2 subjects in your internships hence allowing you to get one years exp, six months faster than the typical unsw wanker.

That's because I am not a lazy Sydney Uni student. As well as my original post being a bit too harsh, I took the time to fix my GRAMMAR. You still can't spell properly, by the way. You should have done a bridging course in English or somthing.
 

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pfft you can attack me with shit spelling calls which are meaningless and fucking stupid but however on page 7 of this report (attachment) proves how shit is your uni on gettin a job therefore usw<usyd<uts
 

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Basing your whole argument on a single survey is pretty ordinary. A few students can completely sway the statistics. There are another 100 UNSW grads that aren't included there and I'm sure it's similar with the other uni's. It also negates the fact that many UNSW overseas students take time to get a job as they need to wait for permanent residency. Something nearly all UTS grads don't need to worry about.

If you want to play with the stats then it's 'clear' that if you get a high UAI and are thinking about higher level study in the future then go to UNSW because their students are doing the PhD's. Well that's what the rubbish stats tell you anyway.

In my opinion there are plenty of jobs out there so choose your uni for other reasons (and make sure your research includes more than one survey report).
 

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I've been looking around and i've seen that you can do a double degree - Engineering/Commerce...do you get to choose what you want to specialise in? i.e, can i choose civil engineering/actuarial studies?
 

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I've been looking around and i've seen that you can do a double degree - Engineering/Commerce...do you get to choose what you want to specialise in? i.e, can i choose civil engineering/actuarial studies?
Yes, I am also thinking of doing an engineering/commerce degree. In the undergrad guide for 2007, it says that it is a reduced engineering program, omitting general education.

What does that mean? Can I still do the structural electives i.e. specialise?
 

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Single degrees at UNSW require you to do general education subjects. These are electives that you do that are taught by another Faculty. It is supposed to give you a broader education. When you do a double degree like BE/BCom it is already broad and they need to cut down on the units to reduce the time it takes so gen ed is not required.

Yes, you can still major in structural engineering (or any of the other majors) as part of the Civil degree.
 

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