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Apparently it's meant to be spelled bestiality not beastiality... anyway I want to hear your best argument against allowing beastiality.

Arguments about zoophilia or zoosexual relations

Platonic love for animals is usually viewed positively, but most people express concern or disapproval of sexual interest, sometimes very strongly. Criticisms come from a variety of sources, including religious, moral, ethical, psychological, medical and social arguments. They include:[citation needed]
  • "Let bestiality be legal and sexual activity between adults and children will be legal"
  • "Sexual activity between species is (or should be) naturally repugnant to anyone in their right mind", sometimes called the "Yuck Factor". (For contrasting view see: Wisdom of repugnance)
  • "Sexual contact with animals exposes people to elevated risk for infection with zoonotic diseases"
  • "Animals are not sapient, and therefore unable to consent." (similar to arguments against sex with human minors)[51]
  • "Animals are incapable of relating to or forming relationships with humans."
  • "Zoosexual relations are simply for those unable/unwilling to find human partners."
  • "Sexual acts with animals by humans are always physical abuse."[52]
  • "Animals mate instinctively to produce offspring (or: only have sex for reproduction), hence they are deceived when these activities are performed." (this reason is somewhat disputed due to research by the Bronx Zoo suggesting that some apes copulate for entertainment.)[53]
  • "It takes advantage of animals' innate social structure which forces them to please a leader."
  • "Humans are guardians in charge of animals, so a sexual relationship is a betrayal of the trust earned by this duty of care."
  • "Zoosexuality is 'profoundly disturbed behaviour.'" (cf. the UK Home Office review on sexual offences, 2002)[54]
  • "It offends human dignity[55] or is forbidden by religious law."
  • "It can actually damage the animals', or their owners', reputations, and have them ostracised or put down." [56]
Defenders of zoophilia or zoosexuality state that:
  • "'Natural' is debatable; it's also not necessarily relevant." (ie, naturalistic fallacy)
  • Cross species sex does sometimes occur in nature (e.g. Mating Toads Leap the Species Barrier)
  • "Animals are capable of sexual consent - and even initiation - in their own way."[57][58][59]
  • "Animals do form mutual relationships with humans."
  • "Research shows the majority of zoophiles appear to have human partners and relationships;[37] many others simply do not have a sexual attraction to humans."
  • "Many zoophiles have an attraction to species which are relatively inaccessible, such as dolphins; tending to oppose the view that they are simply 'looking for easy sex'."
  • "It is a misperception that zoosexual relations need necessarily be inherently harmful/abusive. Usually it needs only sensitivity, mutuality, and understanding of everyday animal behavior."[60][61]
  • "Instinct does not exclude enjoyment, volition or learning."
  • "Animal and human social structure is flexible enough both to allow for different species in it and can easily encompass dynamically changing roles and leads."
  • "People choosing to take responsibility for an animal, have to also take responsibility for its sexual drive. Neutering and ignoring are a failure to accept animals as they are, often used to avoid facing an uncomfortable aspect of animal reality or 'best care'."[62]
  • "Both male and female domestic animals of several species can experience the physical sensation of orgasm, and can unambiguously solicit and demonstrate appreciation for it in their body language. Animals of many species also masturbate, even if other sexual partners are accessible."[63][58]
  • "Perspectives on human dignity and religious viewpoints differ and are personal; many individuals do not consider them relevant."
They also assert that some of these arguments rely on double standards, such as expecting informed consent from animals for sexual activity (and not accepting consent given in their own manner), but not for surgical procedures including aesthetic mutilation and castration, potentially lethal experimentation and other hazardous activities, euthanasia, and slaughter. Likewise, if animals cannot give consent, then it follows that they must not have sex with each other (amongst themselves). [Also see: speciesism][64]
Critics of this reasoning state that animals can communicate internally (hence consent) within their own species, but cannot communicate cross-species. Others state that animal communication is clear and unambiguous cross-species as well.[citation needed]
In discussing arguments for and against zoosexual activity, the "British Journal of Sexual Medicine" commented over 30 years ago, "We are all supposed to condemn bestiality, though only rarely are sound medical or psychological factors advanced." (Jan/Feb 1974, p.43)
People's views appear to depend significantly upon the nature of their interest and nature of exposure to the subject. People who have been exposed to zoosadism, who are unsympathetic to alternate lifestyles in general, or who know little about zoophilia, often regard it as an extreme form of animal abuse and/or indicative of serious psychosexual issues.[65] Mental health professionals and personal acquaintances of zoophiles who see their relationships over time tend to be less critical, and sometimes supportive.[65] Ethologists who study and understand animal behaviour and body language, have documented animal sexual advances to human beings and other species, and tend to be matter-of-fact about animal sexuality and animal approaches to humans; their research is generally supportive of some of the claims by zoophiles regarding animal cognition, behaviour, and sexual/relational/emotional issues.[66] Because the majority opinion is condemnatory, many individuals may be more accepting in private than they make clear to the public. Regardless, there is a general societal view which regards zoophilia with either suspicion or outright opposition.

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I and others would probably stress these two the most:

- "Animals are not sapient, and therefore unable to consent." (similar to arguments against sex with human minors)[51]
- "Animals are incapable of relating to or forming relationships with humans."
 

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i would post a link of a guy fucking a chicken that would show you everything wrong with it, but i would probably get banned.

i thought you were only gay, not into this stuff.
 

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I can see how it might make us rethink the way we argue about sexually taboo things.

I mean, this guy just shot my "what is natural" argument in the homosexuality thread by creating this one.
 

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ur_inner_child said:
I and others would probably stress these two the most:

- "Animals are not sapient, and therefore unable to consent." (similar to arguments against sex with human minors)[51]
- "Animals are incapable of relating to or forming relationships with humans."
Animals aren't able to consent to heaps of shit we do to them, should that also stop?

The fact that they're incapable of forming relations shouldn't matter either because let's be honest, heaps of people go into sex not looking for any sort of relationship... for instance people going to a prostitute, should prostitution be banned?
 

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*spoiler* the chicken fucking died, and KFC never tasted the same.
 

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HNAKXR said:
i would post a link of a guy fucking a chicken that would show you everything wrong with it, but i would probably get banned.

i thought you were only gay, not into this stuff.
Yeah you'd get that 'yuck' factor... I honestly have had the same feeling when I've seen two guys making out etc and I'm sure I'd get it if I saw a whole heap of different people working through their kinks (i.e. extreme bdsm isn't exactly the nicest thing to see).
 

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Enteebee said:
Animals aren't able to consent to heaps of shit we do to them, should that also stop?
I'm not using this as my rebuttal but moreso for principle's sake and articulating thoughts; what would you be saying if we were talking about sexual activity with adults and children?

Logically in mind, sex with children is wrong because of their inability to consent, and how it would likely fuck up their quality of life from there on. So if sexual activities with children aren't allowed, then it trumps everything below it, which seems to include sex with animals. Does that make sense?
 

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ur_inner_child said:
I'm not using this as my rebuttal but moreso for principle's sake and articulating thoughts; what would you be saying if we were talking about sexual activity with adults and children?

Logically in mind, sex with children is wrong because of their inability to consent, and how it would likely fuck up their quality of life from there on. So if sexual activities with children aren't allowed, then it trumps everything below it, which seems to include sex with animals. Does that make sense?
Perfectly.
Also, can't you like spread diseases through this sort of thing? I mean I have heard there is evidence of AIDS being created by a man having sex with an animal.

Also, the point about animals consenting, it's just so wrong. Animals are dumb. But they're still alive. Taking advantage of them in that way is just sick beyond compare. Especially using them for your own sexual gratification. How sick and demented can you get?

Bestiality is right up there in the disgusting acts category along with pedophilia. Infact, it's worse than Pedophilia. Making a case for bestiality is like making a case for having sex with a newborn. :S

Fucking disgusting. Please delete this thread.
 

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Who is harmed by this action?

The love between a man and an animal can be a beautifull thing. Probablly. If no one is harmed, I see no reason against it.

The comparison with pedophilia is wrong because the children, unlike the animals, suffer psychological harm.
 

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How can it be moral to kill an animal, but not to make sweet love to it?
 

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sam04u said:
Especially using them for your own sexual gratification. How sick and demented can you get?
sadistic bestiality?

Graney said:
How can it be moral to kill an animal, but not to make sweet love to it?
you must have had one hell of a liberal upbringing.
 
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Graney said:
Who is harmed by this action?

The love between a man and an animal can be a beautifull thing. Probablly. If no one is harmed, I see no reason against it.

The comparison with pedophilia is wrong because the children, unlike the animals, suffer psychological harm.
You're a regular comedian aren't you?
I already explained that society can be harmed from this action. Through the spread of diseases (which I believe intercourse with animals count definately contribute to).

Also socially. To think it's okay to have sex with an animal in itself is an act of madness. It's a mental illness, moreso than pedophilia perhaps. I mean it's an animal...

Fuck you're sick in the head Graney.
 

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ur_inner_child said:
Logically in mind, sex with children is wrong because of their inability to consent, and how it would likely fuck up their quality of life from there on. So if sexual activities with children aren't allowed, then it trumps everything below it, which seems to include sex with animals. Does that make sense?
Well we're not allowed to cut up babies and eat them either, but we are allowed to do it to animals. The principle would be that human life is sacred to us in that it holds often great potential for the things which we as humans hold dear. I.e. I only think 'inability to consent' matters for humans.

Sam04u said:
Also, can't you like spread diseases through this sort of thing? I mean I have heard there is evidence of AIDS being created by a man having sex with an animal.
Same thing with homosexual sex and well... non-protected sex etc etc but we don't OUTLAW these things.

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Also, the point about animals consenting, it's just so wrong. Animals are dumb. But they're still alive. Taking advantage of them in that way is just sick beyond compare. Especially using them for your own sexual gratification. How sick and demented can you get?
But it's not sick and demented to eat them? tbh I doubt animals are usually harmed anywhere near as much by their sexual encounters with humans as they are by farming/slaughter practices - In fact they might like it, as creepy a thought as this entire idea gets the more you delve into it.

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Bestiality is right up there in the disgusting acts category along with pedophilia. Infact, it's worse than Pedophilia. Making a case for bestiality is like making a case for having sex with a newborn. :S
You think newborn babies are on par with animals? You're a pretty sick person if you're not a vegan...
 
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I think it's completely disgusting, and question why someone would want to do sexual things to an animal in the first place.
However, I don't think its worse than pedophilia. Perhaps equal though.
 

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people are asking me for chicken porn now....
 

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Enteebee said:
Same thing with homosexual sex and well... non-protected sex etc etc but we don't OUTLAW these things.
Yes, HUMAN diseases. Rather than new animal diseases being passed on to humans. Somewhat like bird flu, or some other fucked up disease we can avoid by not being fucking sick in the head and fucking animals.

But it's not sick and demented to eat them? tbh I doubt animals are usually harmed anywhere near as much by their sexual encounters with humans as they are by farming/slaughter practices - In fact they might like it, as creepy a thought as this entire idea gets the more you delve into it.
Well it's a fact that we eat animals to live.
We need the energy.
We accept our lives are more important than their lives.
But tell me. What the fuck do we gain in terms of life by fucking animals? Nothing. People who derive sexual gratification by the act, or by viewing the acts are sick and demented. And those performing the acts are a burdon to society. Instead of being healthy and sane, and contributing to the population... they would rather perform demented acts with animals.

You think newborn babies are on par with animals? You're a pretty sick person if you're not a vegan...
They're both stupid. That's the point I was trying to make.
Not only can they not consent. They don't know what's happening to them.
It's worse than rape. It's like going to the dentist and going under anaesthesia (sp?), and then waking up covered in a sticky substance that's unaccounted for.
 

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this topic is very comical :rofl:
 

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HNAKXR said:
what the hell do you want the video for!?
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i wanna wank to it. by the way, watch 2 guys, 1 horse. search it on google. it doesn't disapoint.
I really, REALLLy REALLLLLYY

hope this is a joke
 

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sam04u said:
Well it's a fact that we eat animals to live.
We need the energy.
We accept our lives are more important than their lives.
But tell me. What the fuck do we gain in terms of life by fucking animals.
The need for love and companionship is just as important as the need for food.

If the dog fulfills this need, then so be it.
 

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