Australian Politics (4 Viewers)

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Which says buckley's to the power of less about your ability to read an electorate, considering Hilary lost and everything.

This is probably the billionth time you've point-blank failed to understand another person's motivations, even when they've been spelt out to you repeatedly.

Iron has repeatedly said that he hoped Hillary would win, and that he doesn't care about 'reading an electorate' or any such garbage. Even if he knew in advance Hillary would lose, it wouldn't stop him from hoping for a miracle and voting for her anywhere (were he an American).

I'm beginning to believe you might be autistic. If so, let me know in PMs or something so I stop being so harsh on you.

 

[spiny norman]

I said i engage in it you nong, as opposed to you who gets sucked in by it. Do you think I would actually vote for Costello or Smith? Or advocate either of them to keep doing what they are doing?

So, then, in terms of each individuals' personal political feelings and politics, not their image, who would you vote for? Who do you think best in that sense?

(I'll ignore the time you said your ideal political party would be if Stephen Smith and Peter Costello broke away from their respective parties and led a joint third party to break through the bullshit partisanship of the other two)

 

[Lentern]

So, then, in terms of each individuals' personal political feelings and politics, not their image, who would you vote for? Who do you think best in that sense?

(I'll ignore the time you said your ideal political party would be if Stephen Smith and Peter Costello broke away from their respective parties and led a joint third party to break through the bullshit partisanship of the other two)

If I could make an Australian poltician king of the world it would be John Faulkner. Who will I vote for? The Greens.

BTW the line about Smith and Costello was poking fun at the way in which in the a few days preceding it people from this place had called me a bleeding heart liberal, a socialist, clearly right of the centre and a centralist who cares about refugees.

 

[Lentern]

This is probably the billionth time you've point-blank failed to understand another person's motivations, even when they've been spelt out to you repeatedly.

Iron has repeatedly said that he hoped Hillary would win, and that he doesn't care about 'reading an electorate' or any such garbage. Even if he knew in advance Hillary would lose, it wouldn't stop him from hoping for a miracle and voting for her anywhere (were he an American).

I'm beginning to believe you might be autistic. If so, let me know in PMs or something so I stop being so harsh on you.

And this is the billionth time you've posted that nonsense. I understand the difference between rating someones political ability and putting forward ones preference of government. I have never confused them; I take particular care not to. People frequently respond to my discussion of political ability with there political preferences, I don't see you dragging them into line for being confused.

Regarding Hilary Iron often stated the democrats were worse off politically for her absence. This was inspite opinion polling ito the contrary.

 

[Lentern]

Not reading or responding to previous bit, other than to say Hillary won and pls pls pls post your illiterate letters to MPs, so that all of bos may glow with joy.

As for Turnbull's 'platform', there isnt one until the election. Other than that, I respect his career and excellent communication is, like, 9/10ths of the job. He personally is the better leader imo. Strong, decisive and brave. I will eagerly vote for him if the policies he takes to the election are persuasive

Glad to know you who is above the phoniness of politics thinks that refugees in detention is an issue to just score debating points over.

Strong decisive and brave, for all your vote is worth they might as well get an actor to lead the party. You're a economic progressive and a monarchist yet you cite Turnbulls career as a reason to vote for him? All that is needed for the vote of Iron is
1) Right place right time
2) Verbal dexterity
3) Distinguished appearance.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Who will I vote for? The Greens.

They're back at 11% again in the latest Newspoll (the same one that shows Labour's lead narrowing a lot). I told you they would be. It seems they gain when Labour loses out, which is unsurprising. It's probably good, too, because Labour's poll lead always narrows at election time (2007 cycle certainly matched that pattern).

I'm just going to avoid most of your posts in future, as much as I can, because it's inevitable that I'll take issue with much of your strange political commentary.

 

[Lentern]

They're back at 11% again in the latest Newspoll (the same one that shows Labour's lead narrowing a lot). I told you they would be. It seems they gain when Labour loses out, which is unsurprising. It's probably good, too, because Labour's poll lead always narrows at election time (2007 cycle certainly matched that pattern).

Because i'm silly and don't know how to distinguish, is that a reading of the electorate or a statement of personal preference?

 

[Iron]

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The Liberal party has always been reaching out to women

timing lol I lolled

 

[blue_chameleon]

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The Liberal party has always been reaching out to women

timing lol I lolled

Thoroughly convincing.

Ahhh, I see how this ties in with your comment in NS.

 

[Rafy]

Rudd standing by his statements to parliament. Will however get the Auditor-General to investigate, reporting by July 31.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Rudd standing by his statements to parliament. Will however get the Auditor-General to investigate, reporting by July 31.

Of course he would.

Will be interesting to see what the AG investigation brings.

 

[spiny norman]

I am sceptical that this will lead to anything. I can't see Rudd, who even his biggest detractors would concede is a smart politician, doing something so stupid to get himself as fucked up as this potentially could.

That said, if there is no evidence, I believe Turnbull could be in quite a bit of strife here. His tactics in this debate have reminded me of the ugliness of Joe McCarthy, and if his claim proves as baseless as McCarthy, this could really badly blow up in his face.

Will definitely be interesting to see where this goes.

 

[Rafy]

I'd personally go after Swan. There's perhaps no definitive way of proving that the email did or did not exist. I imagine Rudd will get the benefit of the doubt. There is however clear evidence that Swan did mislead parliament. Evidence clearly demonstrates that John Grant was given special treatment by Treasury and that Swan was personally involved.

Rudd's staked everything on his denial though. If the authenticity of the email is confirmed his position is completely untenable. He would have to resign. I seriously doubt however he'd be so blatant as to make such an equivocal denial given the stakes if it were not true. (Either that or he's lying and knows he can get away with it)

Interesting times ahead.


In other news, LNP ahead 55-45 in QLD. This just 2 months after the election.

 

[Rafy]

Opposition now focusing their attack on Swan.

Turnbull: Swan should resign over OzCar affair | National Breaking News | News.com.au

 

[*TRUE*]

Opposition now focusing their attack on Swan.

Turnbull: Swan should resign over OzCar affair | National Breaking News | News.com.au

YEEEEEEEW!

 

[David Spade]

I hear early erection.


Election

 

[Lentern]

David if there is no other major scandal lurking beneath the surface then now would be a terrible time to call a snap election. It would let the opposition fight it on "honesty and integrity." It seems pretty bad but I think the government needs to try and stonewall. If Swan resigned or was dumped I think it would merely exacerbate the scandal

 

[incentivation]

It will be interesting to see the outcome. The career of one of these men will be over.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Hahaha.

It seems Turnbull, Rudd and Swan are reading from the same book.

Resign! No you Resign. No you! Resign!

 

[Lentern]

It will be interesting to see the outcome. The career of one of these men will be over.

Oh not neccessarilly.
Turnbull has been treading water for ages if it turns out he's in the wrong he's just accelerated his demise.

If its Kevin he'll take a blow in the polls but Prime Ministers, particularly this one(recall Brian Burke scandal) seem to have an immunity about them. I can't imagine a prime minister so early in his premiership resigning so it would have to come about via a challenge and I expect the right would protect Rudd from a Gillard challenge(she's the only real alternative at the moment).

If its Swan(most likely scenario) then he'd be in shit creek. I think however they'd go through hell and highwater to stop losing him so soon after Fitzgibbon. To lose one cabinet minister might be considered a misfortune, to lose two would look like carelessness.

I can't believe politicians go to the effort to strategically say "shitstorm" and "shake of the source bottle" yet let these things slip through the cracks.