Australian Politics (2 Viewers)

[whatashotbyseve]

I always thought he was Kevin Rudd's long lost twin. Aside from looks and voice, they practically affirm the same policies.

 

[Iron]

Re: Kevin Rudd = Labor Thug

Make no mistake, if you make it to our shores you have reached paradise, but before you get here our PM will give you SUCH a tongue lashing that youll be crying for weeks. Best to not bother! Turn back lest you provoke this razor wit!

 

[JaredR]

I applaud the Government's decision to boycott the United Nations Durban Review Conference (aka Durban 2).

 

[Silver Persian]

White paper orders huge military build-up | The Australian


I imagined defense would be one area where Ruddles may have tried to make some savings, but apparently not.

This government is becoming worrisome.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

White paper orders huge military build-up | The Australian


I imagined defense would be one area where Ruddles may have tried to make some savings, but apparently not.

This government is becoming worrisome.

Congrats on becoming a mod, mate! They made a good choice.

As for the defence build-up: thank god. I was beginning to think Rudd was going to ignore that.

While China is certainly a concern, it's not the only regional worry. Australia is a resource and economically rich nation with limited manpower surrounded by a bunch of poor, developing nations with huge armies (in terms of manpower). Maybe the future will be peaceful. Equally likely it may be very bloody.

Oh, P.S. Rudd has been planning a defence buildup since before he was elected. He's concerned about regional stability.

"For the first time the white paper will address in detail electronic warfare trends, particularly the growing cyber security threat to Australia's national security network."

Excellent. Finally.

 

[Lentern]

I reckon Pru Goward could be NSW's very own Maggie Thatcher. She's got so much more going for her than Barry or Michael or any of the twelve faceless men. Some libs start agitating for change because they feel Barry isn't really applying the blowtorch, the alternative leader loses a narrow leadership challenge, he is weakened though and it becomes clear the other bloke is preparing to make a second challenge, a combination of O'farrell supprters, Goward supporters and other bloke haters throw their support behind her. Mita Bing bang bing bang boom.

She's an outsider, not like the pigheaded men who have strutted their stuff around NSW parliament for the last century. The election is too close for the libs to really have a genuine chance of replacing her so she gets their full support, labor keeps shooting themselves in the foot, Pru wins by a landslide. A bunch of new libs who never thought they'd have a chance at winning get into parliament in the landlside win and are totally dedicated to Pru so she has a massive majority in the party room. After the pathetic final days of NSW labor they aren't able to mount a significant challenge for atleast eight years...

 

[Lentern]

Pay people to do pointless military stuff, and you can make the unemployment rate seem lower.

Plus there always a pretty big chunk of idiots who love the idea of a stronger military.

Good political move, but as usual, another terrible decision for our nation by Rudd.

Yeah the Rudd government reminds me alot of some of the jokes the civil servants used to make in yes minister and yes pm about the politicians. This one reminds me of a dialogue between Sir Humphrey and Sir Arnold that went something like this.

-He wants to reduce unemployment
-You mean he wants to look as though he's reducing unemployment
-Well no he really just wants try and reduce unemployment so he can say he's done something
-But he knows he can't actually reduce unemployment so he's actually just trying to look as though he's trying to reduce unemployment.
-When really he just looks as though he's trying to look as though he's trying to reduce unemployment.

And when Jim gets in trouble in interviews and just reverts to the standard answers, reminds me of Kevin's cliche's. John Howard on the other hand reminds me more of Francis Urqhart.

 

[Silver Persian]

Turnbull won't back amended emissions scheme | smh.com.au


Ruddles to delay introduction of CETS by one year - discuss!

 

[blue_chameleon]

This one reminds me of a dialogue between Sir Humphrey and Sir Arnold that went something like this.

-He wants to reduce unemployment
-You mean he wants to look as though he's reducing unemployment
-Well no he really just wants try and reduce unemployment so he can say he's done something
-But he knows he can't actually reduce unemployment so he's actually just trying to look as though he's trying to reduce unemployment.
-When really he just looks as though he's trying to look as though he's trying to reduce unemployment.

...



*crickets chirping*

 

[moll.]

Turnbull won't back amended emissions scheme | smh.com.au


Ruddles to delay introduction of CETS by one year - discuss!

This is what happens when you try to play moderate populaist politics. You get beat up by both sides.

 

[Ripe Hymen]

Ldp ftw

 

[Lentern]

Very bad news for Malcolm. Newspoll has the coalition gaining ground at a painfully slow rate but Turnbull's personal ratings are sliding. I might argue that this is because Turnbull when he came to be leader did alot of the pleasent chat show kind of stuff to introduce himself to the nation combined with the honeymoon effect recieved a respectable personal rating. Since he got established however he's just been hammering away at the government on economics. He has been tough, severe and spoken with great gravitas. Such ploys do not translate into people wanting to get a beer with you like Hawke or any of that kind of thing but it does get some folk a wondering whether or not the economy would be any worse under a Turnbull.

Unfortunately I will be outnumbered and some level headed members of the liberal party will be convinced by this that people are really impressed witht he liberal party and strongly believe that it will manage the economy better. That there is some real political dynamite on the liberal frontbench(or perhaps on the backbench) that voters want to see steering the ship again. Problem is they think the man in charge is a twat. Considering a significant portion of the liberal party really didn't want Turnbull to be leader and would probably vote for any member of the frontbench aside from Pyne if they challenged Turnbull I fear his days are tragically numbered.


In the Costello camp he needs to be careful. He's had his fun and well and trully established a bit of an intrigue about him. He can now get into the news cycle at will and is viewed as the alternative leader of the opposition. If he bides his time and waits for Turnbull or Hockey to lose the next election Costello will probably have the overwhelming support of the party and every chance of taking government at the subsequent election. But if he overplays it now to the extent he damages, or is percieved to have damaged the parties immediate chances quite significantly he'll make himself some real enemies in the party. Even if he gets the leadership a few disgruntled powerbrokers can make leadership hell for him. Beazley's second stint was undermined by Crean et al and Costello could easilly suffer the same fate.

I've also noticed Bronwyn Bishop popping up in the press lately, I might be a sucker for the narrative but I reckon someone in her twilight with nothing to lose might be thinking about a final attempt at snatching power before she is confined to a home.

The liberals are so much more interesting than the ALP.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Very bad news for Malcolm. Newspoll has the coalition gaining ground at a painfully slow rate but Turnbull's personal ratings are sliding. I might argue that this is because Turnbull when he came to be leader did alot of the pleasent chat show kind of stuff to introduce himself to the nation combined with the honeymoon effect recieved a respectable personal rating. Since he got established however he's just been hammering away at the government on economics. He has been tough, severe and spoken with great gravitas. Such ploys do not translate into people wanting to get a beer with you like Hawke or any of that kind of thing but it does get some folk a wondering whether or not the economy would be any worse under a Turnbull.

Unfortunately I will be outnumbered and some level headed members of the liberal party will be convinced by this that people are really impressed witht he liberal party and strongly believe that it will manage the economy better. That there is some real political dynamite on the liberal frontbench(or perhaps on the backbench) that voters want to see steering the ship again. Problem is they think the man in charge is a twat. Considering a significant portion of the liberal party really didn't want Turnbull to be leader and would probably vote for any member of the frontbench aside from Pyne if they challenged Turnbull I fear his days are tragically numbered.


In the Costello camp he needs to be careful. He's had his fun and well and trully established a bit of an intrigue about him. He can now get into the news cycle at will and is viewed as the alternative leader of the opposition. If he bides his time and waits for Turnbull or Hockey to lose the next election Costello will probably have the overwhelming support of the party and every chance of taking government at the subsequent election. But if he overplays it now to the extent he damages, or is percieved to have damaged the parties immediate chances quite significantly he'll make himself some real enemies in the party. Even if he gets the leadership a few disgruntled powerbrokers can make leadership hell for him. Beazley's second stint was undermined by Crean et al and Costello could easilly suffer the same fate.

I've also noticed Bronwyn Bishop popping up in the press lately, I might be a sucker for the narrative but I reckon someone in her twilight with nothing to lose might be thinking about a final attempt at snatching power before she is confined to a home.

The liberals are so much more interesting than the ALP.

tl;dr

Summaries work well, my fren.

 

[Lentern]

tl;dr

Summaries work well, my fren.

That's ok it was aimed at intellectuals.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

That's ok it was aimed at intellectuals.

Epic fail.

It's like you watch a couple of episodes of 'Yes Minister' and come on here thinking that makes you an expert political analyst.

 

[moll.]

Or Hollowmen.
lol Lentern.

 

[blue_chameleon]

That's ok it was aimed at intellectuals.

...so why go about posting your rambling on an online student forum then? Even as an analyst, you need to structure your shit properly so people can read it, but instead you seem to spew chunks at a time. Keep convincing yourself though.

I take it you were dropped on your head as a baby.

 

[whatashotbyseve]

Lentern is invariably right though.

Libs are in a bit of a tricky spot. Do they give Turnbull until the election, lose it then elect Costello? Do they consider Turnbull deadwood and appoint someone from out of left field? Uncle Nick and the other powerbrokers need to consider their next move carefully.

If I was in the coalition, I would be looking at ways to get Barnaby Joyce into Deputy Leader of the Opposition. The public clearly love the guy - he comes across as forthright, stands up for himself (how many times has he crossed the floor?) and is media savvy. Bishop is too wooden.

It really has to be a long term strategy because the only way the Libs can win the next election is by Labor imploding.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Libs are in a bit of a tricky spot. Do they give Turnbull until the election, lose it then elect Costello? Do they consider Turnbull deadwood and appoint someone from out of left field? Uncle Nick and the other powerbrokers need to consider their next move carefully.

That's a fair question, however i'd be doubtful as to whether anybody within the Libs atm would have higher ratings as Opposition leader compared to Turnbull. We could speculate based on how certain individuals are received by the public now in their specific roles, but imo it would be a whole different kettle of fish once they were thrust into the leadership role.

If I was in the coalition, I would be looking at ways to get Barnaby Joyce into Deputy Leader of the Opposition. The public clearly love the guy - he comes across as forthright, stands up for himself (how many times has he crossed the floor?) and is media savvy. Bishop is too wooden.

I personally don't know that much about Barnaby Joyce, but in terms of Bishop she hasn't been a great success and needs to go.

It really has to be a long term strategy because the only way the Libs can win the next election is by Labor imploding.

I think the public are becoming more 'aware' as to the tactics used by Rudd/Swan to maintain/grow their popularity in the polls. For instance, look at Swan releasing the top end forecast for the budget deficit, being $70 billion, where it could be lower at $50 billion. The smoke and mirrors aren't too convincing, however unfortunately I don't think this is enough to push Turnbull as a better alternative at the moment.

 

[Lentern]

Epic fail.

Now really, nobody can begrudge for being so stupid it is not as though you chose to be that way but must you be so crude.

It's like you watch a couple of episodes of 'Yes Minister' and come on here thinking that makes you an expert political analyst.

Brave words from someone who thus far has demonstrated he knows nothign about anything. Not a jibe at your intelligence by the way but at your own reluctance to give insight. I think the one thing you have suggested is that the progressive parties will control the senate after the next election. How very brave of you.

The yes minister cheap lines by the way make you sound very clever and senior. Just clarify for a naive boy like myself what yes minister, a program structured around the relationship between the civil service and government ministers has to do with the electoral prospects of the opposition in Australia? Half the premise of YM was that the ministers had no idea what they were up against when the civil service unleashed the furies.

But I'm sure a clever all knowing guy like yourself wouldn't resort to cheap empty lines because they make you feel clever. You've got far more depth than that.

Did I mention I don't you?