"Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher (2 Viewers)

[thongetsu]

for a second there i misread Stalin for Satan

 

[thongetsu]

either way i get the same end result!

 

[pman]

either way i get the same end result!

but i'm not sure satan has a fantastic moustache

 

[Scorch]

Yes, Hitler was reasonably religious. No religious fanatic, but still. Most of his anti-Semetism was based upon religious tradition and much of Nazi symbology and ceremony has religious undertones. He was even a believer in the Aryan-Israelite pseudo-history, where the Northern Europeans were supposed to be desended from the ten lost tribes of Israel, and hence to be uncorrupted by their cousins' subsequent misfortune.

This. Hitler was a Roman Catholic and even had the support of the Roman Catholic church through several negotiated treaties even after he began spreading such anti-Semitic filth.

I direct anyone who thinks otherwise to this article.

 

[speak]

Wait, wasnt Hitler religious?

And Nazism is curiously like zionism

Zionism was a result of jew hatred.

 

[0bs3n3]

Yes, Hitler was reasonably religious. No religious fanatic, but still. Most of his anti-Semetism was based upon religious tradition and much of Nazi symbology and ceremony has religious undertones. He was even a believer in the Aryan-Israelite pseudo-history, where the Northern Europeans were supposed to be desended from the ten lost tribes of Israel, and hence to be uncorrupted by their cousins' subsequent misfortune.

Yeah, but he did incorporate a whole lot of occultism/paganism as well. Basically, he pandered to everyone in order to get votes. Hell he even got the socialist vote for a bit, but then destroyed those who called for an actual socialist revolution (Night of the Long Knives). I doubt he was sincerely religious, if at all.

 

[Fish Tank]

but i'm sure sure satan has a fantastic moustache

+1

 

[thongetsu]

a moustache made of fire perhaps?

 

[Scorch]

Yeah, but he did incorporate a whole lot of occultism/paganism as well. Basically, he pandered to everyone in order to get votes. Hell he even got the socialist vote for a bit, but then destroyed those who called for an actual socialist revolution (Night of the Long Knives). I doubt he was sincerely religious, if at all.

Even a cursory glance at Mein Kampf will confirm he was a Christian.

 

[Tangent]

No.

and how? Zionism = Jews. Nazism is inherently anti-Semitic. Don't know how you worked that out.

Okay, so I've heard wrong about hitler being religious. I thought it was because of the rising of Darwins theory that he thought that god made Germans superior to every other race and was destined to rule.

And i can see parallels in Zionism and Nazism- where there is one race that will 'unite' the world (by any means possible), and will essentially rule it.

I love learning

 

[Scorch]

Okay, so I've heard wrong about hitler being religious. I thought it was because of the rising of Darwins theory that he thought that god made Germans superior to every other race and was destined to rule.

Have you not been listening to me? You heard absolutely right. He was religious, a strong Catholic and, indeed, his hatred and anti-Semitism stemmed from a rich Catholic tradition of discrimination, bigotry and persecution of Jews in Europe.

As for the Darwinian comment, that's not entirely accurate. Hitler's more complicated ideas on society are more in line with what we could call eugenics, which is essentially concerned with selective breeding, removing the weak, encouraging the pure, etc. They really gave it a bad name, don't think that eugenics is destructive on its own; we have domesticated animals, fruit, berries, etc. because of eugenic principles.

 

[grammarye]

Nevertheless, the bishop has a point...

It is estimated that a total of 17 million people have died because of their religious beliefs throughout human history. A total of 170 million people have died over the last century alone because of atheism, secularism and whatever.

Roman Catholics cannot assume the holier-than-thou position, their religious beliefs became somewhat distorted because of politics and power. The Roman Catholic church discriminated against the Jews because they denied Jesus Christ, and vice versa because without Jesus Christ, there would be no Christian faith....
Also, there are many people in history who have committed completely unsanctionable acts because of their 'religious beliefs', the underlying reason being fear or greed for land, gold, power, in Hitler's case, world domination? Like the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition, the burning of 'witches'...

 

[moll.]

Nevertheless, the bishop has a point...

It is estimated that a total of 17 million people have died because of their religious beliefs throughout human history. A total of 170 million people have died over the last century alone because of atheism, secularism and whatever.

Roman Catholics cannot assume the holier-than-thou position, their religious beliefs became somewhat distorted because of politics and power. The Roman Catholic church discriminated against the Jews because they denied Jesus Christ, and vice versa because without Jesus Christ, there would be no Christian faith....
Also, there are many people in history who have committed completely unsanctionable acts because of their 'religious beliefs', the underlying reason being fear or greed for land, gold, power, in Hitler's case, world domination? Like the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition, the burning of 'witches'...

[citation needed]

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Nevertheless, the bishop has a point...

It is estimated that a total of 17 million people have died because of their religious beliefs throughout human history. A total of 170 million people have died over the last century alone because of atheism, secularism and whatever.

Roman Catholics cannot assume the holier-than-thou position, their religious beliefs became somewhat distorted because of politics and power. The Roman Catholic church discriminated against the Jews because they denied Jesus Christ, and vice versa because without Jesus Christ, there would be no Christian faith....
Also, there are many people in history who have committed completely unsanctionable acts because of their 'religious beliefs', the underlying reason being fear or greed for land, gold, power, in Hitler's case, world domination? Like the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition, the burning of 'witches'...

wasn't the entire human race (cept noah and his family) wiped out by a great flood?

 

[runoutofsleep]

yes 170 million people killed by atheism

because the doctrine of atheism instructs its followers to kill people

 

[abbeyroad]

lol lol lol

last time I checked:

no atheist have ever carried out a terrorist attack, started a war nor committed genocide in the name of atheism.

no atheist have ever killed an anti-abortionist in the name of atheism

no atheist have ever impeded social and scientific progress through the prosecution and murder of scientists and free thinkers in the name of atheism.

no atheist have ever used atheism as justification for murder and their discrimination against people of a certain gender/sexual orientation/ethnicity or race.


on the other hand, religion is responsible for:

the Muslim conquests, the Crusades, the European wars of religions, the Taiping Rebellion, various wars between Israel and neighboring Arab countries, the Indo-Pakistani wars, the civil wars in Sudan and Sri Lanka, the majority of the terrorist attacks in the 20th and 21st century, and the current global war on terror etc etc

the prosecution and murder of atheists and followers of opposing beliefs throughout human history.

the suppression of scientific progress; the advocation of illogicality and irrationality over science and logic as can be seen by the trial of Galileo, Giordano Bruno, and the rejection of evolution.

the justification that murder, slavery, racism, gender inequality, and the discrimination of homosexuals are not only permitted but divinely decreed.

yes I'm sure atheism is not only a threat to global security and world peace but the greatest evil humanity have ever faced.