Animal cruelty is the same as racism. (3 Viewers)

[Laika_]

Hi, i am a mathematician.

Replacing meat with veggies is unfeasible.

Thank you for your time.

 

[JClamp]

thanks bro
'ppreciate it

 

[black_kat_meow]

Yeah bro I can imagine those massive cattle stations in Bourke being converted to thirsty eggplant cropfields.

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF EGGPLANTS

all quenched by the endless supplies of water given by the Murray-Darling basin

I have no evidence for what I'm saying (nor do you). It seems unfeasable to me. Some mathematician or something should work out the feasability of replacing meat with veggies.

Alternative sources of meat, like kangaroo for our climate, are far more feasible than convincing the population to give up meat.

 

[Marmalade.]

maramalade, m8, you're not always right, ok?

No I'm not always right, but this time I am.

I've never said that eating meat is bad (though there are well-known risks in doing so, as with anything), but I'm sick of people claiming that meat is necessary for good health.

 

[Laika_]

provide me with proof saying it isnt and i will believe you

 

[Marmalade.]

I would have thought that the countless vegetarians who are as healthy as meat-eaters would be enough.

Vegetarian eating - Better Health Channel.

Lower rates of disease in vegetarians sounds like an indication of good health

 

[Laika_]

I would have thought that the countless vegetarians who are as healthy as meat-eaters would be enough.

Vegetarian eating - Better Health Channel.

Lower rates of disease in vegetarians sounds like an indication of good health

m8 this is not acceptable

citation needed for your claims

i cant be expected to just believe your claims with no sources

Edit: from your own website lol

Vitamin B12
Vitamin B12 is important for the production of red blood cells; it helps to maintain healthy nerves and mental abilities. Microorganisms that are ingested by animals manufacture vitamin B12. Strict vegans are at risk of developing vitamin B12 deficiency because it is not found in plant products.

Anaemia is a common result of B12 deficiency. If a breastfeeding mother is following a vegan diet, the lack of vitamin B12 in her milk can interfere with her baby’s brain functioning.

Vitamin B12 can be found in dairy products and eggs. Vegans are advised to take B12 supplements. Vitamin B12 absorption becomes less efficient as we age, so supplements may be also be needed by older vegetarians.

Mushrooms are often claimed to be a source of B12. However, this is not accurate. They contain a compound with a similar structure to B12 but it doesn’t work like B12 in the body. They may contain some B12 on their surface, from soil (bacteria) or fertiliser contamination.

 

[Marmalade.]

I provided you with a link that states this. Try reading it, mate.

 

[Laika_]

I provided you with a link that states this. Try reading it, mate.

um yeah your link doesnt have any sources either lol

 

[Kwayera]

ffs, it is common knowledge that a healthy diet does not have to include meat.

In an adult, no, it does not have to include meat.

 

[Marmalade.]

Laika, do you not understand the difference between veganism and vegetarianism?

And why are you willing to accept the part from my link that you mistakenly believe supports your argument and ask for sources on the part that doesn't?

 

[kawaiinlove]

vegos live longer as well.

Veg out, live longer - www.theage.com.au

 

[Laika_]

haha

because i dont really care about the distinctions between vegetarianism and veganism

its not supporting my argument its supporting Kways, and all of the information is worthless without sources, yes

 

[JonathanM]

No I'm not always right, but this time I am..

I also have an uncle who has smoked 2 packs a day since he was 14, and he's 80 today and totally healthy. So smoking isn't bad, don't worry about it kids.

:/

 

[Kwayera]

vegos live longer as well.

Veg out, live longer - www.theage.com.au

Well that largely depends on the quality of the meat you eat if you do have a meat-based diet. Many of these studies have been done in the US, where meat is generally hugely less lean than what you get here.

 

[Marmalade.]

:/

I thought it was pretty obvious, but that was an example of how it doesn't defeat an argument to claim that you know a person whose experience goes against that argument (even if that person does actually exist). I don't have an uncle.

 

[Marmalade.]

Well that largely depends on the quality of the meat you eat if you do have a meat-based diet. Many of these studies have been done in the US, where meat is generally hugely less lean than what you get here.

I would have thought that the people conducting these studies have taken this into account when coming to their conclusions. And what is your reason for believing that "many" of the studies are done in the US or that meat quality is better in Australia?

 

[Kwayera]

I would have thought that the people conducting these studies have taken this into account when coming to their conclusions. And what is your reason for believing that "many" of the studies are done in the US or that meat quality is better in Australia?

- Not especially, when that is what meat is available and that is what they are testing
- Because for large scale population studies, which these necessarily need to be, require a large scale population to pool from and the resources to do it - I.e. the US
- Meat quality, i.e. "saturated" fat content (I.e. marbling) is higher in the US than in Australia, largely due to our feeding practices.

 

[Marmalade.]

- Not especially, when that is what meat is available and that is what they are testing
- Because for large scale population studies, which these necessarily need to be, require a large scale population to pool from and the resources to do it - I.e. the US
- Meat quality, i.e. "saturated" fat content (I.e. marbling) is higher in the US than in Australia, largely due to our feeding practices.

Like I said, if there are differences I'm sure that the large number of people who have studied this and come up with similar results have taken all the differences into account. But it is still undisputed that eating a lot of meat (particularly poor quality meat) is not healthy, and all I have been arguing this whole time is that vegetarianism is as good, or better, than a diet with meat in it.

 

[Kwayera]

No, they would not have accounted for it, because the studies would only be applied in an American context (as it can only be applied to the studied population), and the type of meat available. I.e. the conclusions of the studies would have been "meat is bad for you" or whatever if you live in America, where the study was done.

Vegetarianism isn't better than a diet with meat in it if that meat is lean and consumed in appropriate quantities. Perhaps as good, but definitely not better - or, at least, that much has not been proven conclusively (and probably never will).