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Uhh... does it say in the Quaran that if your wife is trying to leave you that you can behead her? If not then this has nothing to do with Islam. If it does then just :cold:.
 

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umm chris brown just bashed rihanne; is that his religions fault? course not
so how is it islams fault that this guy killed his wife.

and islam does allow divorces





ps.
and that guy is a total idoit for killing his wife; its quiet sad ....
 

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Apologist detected lol
i aint apologising for anything; the guy has issues and its his problem not islam's

so are gonna say "Apologist detected " when you have nothing better to say.
ever hear if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all ?
 

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umm chris brown just bashed rihanne; is that his religions fault? course not
so how is it islams fault that this guy killed his wife.

and islam does allow divorces





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and that guy is a total idoit for killing his wife; its quiet sad ....

chris brown is a muslim, his religion says he can smack his bitch up. so yes it is his religions fault.

(he may or may not be a muslim idk tbh)
 

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chris brown is a muslim, his religion says he can smack his bitch up. so yes it is his religions fault.

(he may or may not be a muslim idk tbh)
he's not muslim =]
Chris Brown is a Christian.
 

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who gives a shit what religion he is
 

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That is exactly the point - the fact that this man is the founder of a TV station that is trying to educate and dispel Muslim stereotypes, and the irony of (not the fact that he brutally murdered his wife, but) the fact that he did it in a way which only feeds into the Muslim stereotype that is rife around the world at the moment, in particular the beheading-style executions that have occurred in Iraq. So yes, his actions have exactly played into stereotypes.

The article does not mention his religion, and in fact the crime doesn't really have to have anything to do with whatever religion he adheres to. It's his role as the founder of the Muslim TV station and its pro-Muslim policies. If he is indeed Muslim, that's just icing on the cake really, for some.
Yup.
This wouldn't have been nearly so ripe if he'd shot her, or even stabbed her.
Any word on what he beheaded her with?
From personal experience, I know that beheading is a lot of work. Really takes it out of you.
 

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Why dont we just accept that Islam, in its current state, is a backwards religion and has not adapted [as much] to our modern world versus other religions. Reform needs to happen, not sticking to things not applicable in today's society.

That, or we just get it over and done with and shoot some lebs already.
 

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Why dont we just accept that Islam, in its current state, is a backwards religion and has not adapted [as much] to our modern world versus other religions. Reform needs to happen, not sticking to things not applicable in today's society.

That, or we just get it over and done with and shoot some lebs already.
I love you. Can we get married?
 

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he's not muslim =]
Chris Brown is a Christian.
Nah, Brown belongs to one of these new-age religions. I think they call it Gangstafarian. Otherwise known as "The Wife-Beater's Club"
 

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Why dont we just accept that Islam, in its current state, is a backwards religion and has not adapted [as much] to our modern world versus other religions. Reform needs to happen, not sticking to things not applicable in today's society.

That, or we just get it over and done with and shoot some lebs already.
what is modern? Islam like any other religion is an ideology. once its changes the ideology changes. It will not be Islam anymore.
 

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what is modern? Islam like any other religion is an ideology. once its changes the ideology changes. It will not be Islam anymore.
Christianity managed to modernise itself without compromising it's core ideology. Judiasm too, to a lesser extent. Why can't Islam?
 

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Christianity managed to modernise itself without compromising it's core ideology. Judiasm too, to a lesser extent. Why can't Islam?
I don't think that is true. Christianity is far more marginal to western society (which signifigantly used to be referred to as Christendom) then it was 100 years ago.
 

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Christianity managed to modernise itself without compromising it's core ideology. Judiasm too, to a lesser extent. Why can't Islam?
To a lesser extent? I did some reading into religious populations of the world in 'Religion and Society' (a VCE subject) last year.

Jewish assimilation rates have skyrocketed, especially within America, I read a report that said that intermarriage is at 50% and rising. I would argue that Judaism has modernised itself to the extent that Christianity has.

I would agree though, that Islam has not modernised itself anywhere near to the extent Christianity and Judaism have (not to say it hasn't, just not to the same extent).

I also found it really interesting to see noted in a few studies that I read that rising antisemitism is almost always followed by a decrease in Jewish assimilation rates. Discuss.
 

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Christianity managed to modernise itself without compromising it's core ideology. Judiasm too, to a lesser extent. Why can't Islam?
Europe never modernized Christianity. its just got rid of it. slowly.

A replacement of a need for 'God' with a need to be happy instead. Hence Materialism.

oh not to forget, There are many other reasons you probably know of, another one which deserves a mention is the fact that modern day Christianity (should we even call it that? its certainly isnt modern when its non existent) provides for the Capitalists with an opportunity to start whatever businesses they want. Hence the richest and the most powerful promote Atheism.

With the populations morals confused or made flexible you can get away with anything. Night clubs, Brothels, Casinos, Alcohol, Tobacco, Global scale weapons manufacturing, ....etc etc

edit: Imagine if the catholic church or some Evangelical nut case took hold of some political power like in the old days of western Europe. the above would be banned instantaneously. for you to claim that Christianity has become 'modern' is an utter lie. The truth is, Christianity has no power in the modern world, and with this, it has become non existent in the modern world. takes centuries you know?
 
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Nothing wrong with any of this. Fuck off with your moral posturing. There is no god, only man.
how am i moral posturing? I am just putting forward what anyone would consider anti Christianity pre age of enlightenment era.
 

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Reading too much rand, sunbeam. Though I'd agree 100% with this, we need to promote people being smart and sensible in this day and age. What I do with my money and my life is my business. Keep your fucking nose out.
I was in know way advocating that the government or church should have a say in our money.

why are you quoting me as James. I am Savak.
 

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Europe never modernized Christianity. its just got rid of it. slowly.

A replacement of a need for 'God' with a need to be happy instead. Hence Materialism.
I wasn't talking about these past 100-200 years. I was talking about the process of modernisation which was begun in 1515 by Luther and continued in the four centuries afterwards. Materialism didn't exist back then either. But the Church still modernised.

oh not to forget, There are many other reasons you probably know of, another one which deserves a mention is the fact that modern day Christianity (should we even call it that? its certainly isnt modern when its non existent) provides for the Capitalists with an opportunity to start whatever businesses they want. Hence the richest and the most powerful promote Atheism.
This only holds true (except for the promotion of atheism bit, which was complete crap) since the end of the Great War. Secularism, agnosticism and atheism only started to rise after the horrors of that war. Capitalism had existed long before then, however.

With the populations morals confused or made flexible you can get away with anything. Night clubs, Brothels, Casinos, Alcohol, Tobacco, Global scale weapons manufacturing, ....etc etc
All of these things still exist in the Muslim world. The only country to my knowledge to have banned any of these is Saudi Arabia. And there is a thriving black market in that state, showing that Arab people still want these things.
It should also be noted that brothels are illegal in many Western countries.

edit: Imagine if the catholic church or some Evangelical nut case took hold of some political power like in the old days of western Europe. the above would be banned instantaneously. for you to claim that Christianity has become 'modern' is an utter lie. The truth is, Christianity has no power in the modern world, and with this, it has become non existent in the modern world. takes centuries you know?
Your analogy is fallacious.
For starters, they simply wouldn't be able to seize power. It's politically impossible in a country with centuries of democratic history. The people would rise up in popular revolt.
Ignoring this obvious flaw however, there also exists the problem of where one is to find these theocratic nutjobs. They are certainly not in such large supplies in the West as they in the Middle East and North Africa. You may try to dismiss this problem with something along the lines of: "I'm sure I could find one who would do it". Yes, I'm sure you could. I'm sure you could also find one human being that would destroy the entire planet with a superweapon, were they given the chance. This doesn't mean it's a plausible argument to say that this is a likelihood.

The truth is that, through a slow Darwinian process of elimination, democratic and liberal society has gradually weeded out the theocratic nutjobs (with the occassional acception). What is left is a moderate base of Christians and others who value the individual above the whole and the means higher than the ends.
Whether this means that Christianity as an ideology has changed, whether it is just the Christians who have, or whether indeed Christianity has changed so much that it essentially does not exist, is up to the individual's viewpoint and depends upon the defintions one supplies for the above terms.
To me, however, both Christians and Christianity have changed, but both still involve a belief in Jesus and his place as a divine being, hence they remain fundementally the same. The details, such as the position of the Church, a belief in the Bible and various ideas of how to best live one's life are just that: details. They should be viewed only as the flexible clothing around which a central ideology (belief in Christ as a divine representation of a single God) is wrapped.
In short, just because modern Christianity is not the same as 10th-century Christianity, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 

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To a lesser extent? I did some reading into religious populations of the world in 'Religion and Society' (a VCE subject) last year.

Jewish assimilation rates have skyrocketed, especially within America, I read a report that said that intermarriage is at 50% and rising. I would argue that Judaism has modernised itself to the extent that Christianity has.

I would agree though, that Islam has not modernised itself anywhere near to the extent Christianity and Judaism have (not to say it hasn't, just not to the same extent).

I also found it really interesting to see noted in a few studies that I read that rising antisemitism is almost always followed by a decrease in Jewish assimilation rates. Discuss.
Truth be told, I only said "to a lesser extent" because I'm not as familiar with Jewish history as I am with Christian or Muslim history. Figured the cautious path was best.
 

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