Scientific studies on this do not exist to support one way or the other, the reasons for this are pretty obvious. Also that would that in your mond it would be ok to kill a person who is unconcious, on pain killers or posses faulty nociceptors.
They don't exist for the purpose of supporting one one or the other, however they do by their conclusions support one way. If you don't believe me I'm more than willing to get some examples of real peer-reviewed scientific papers on the matter that explain's the brain development of fetus's.
Killing is a bad thing becuase it violates that persons right to life, who cares about the people around them, its the person BEING killed that matters. What kind of fucked up values did the retards you call parents bring you up on?
It seems ludacris to claim that the killing of someone matters even if no one cares, obviously it's only their caring that makes it matter... the fact that it violates the person's right to live might be one of the reasons why others would care, but on it's own it's impossible to be considered bad. Of course however, this is a side issue and I'd rather not discuss it further as my main point that which I expressed before about what a utilitarian society's decision would be (i.e. to maximise happiness). You've claimed that it's wrong because fetus's feel pain. If they do I agree with you, but I see no scientific research to lead me to the conclusion that 1st/2nd trimester fetus's do feel pain or that the 3rd trimester fetus's which feel pain feel pain in the same way in which a fully grown human feel's it.
Studies into this do exist, you may just not like the result.
You found out, considering there have been no studies (becuase in the end nobody can revert to a fetal stage and experience existance for themselves), you were lied to, and brainwashed, by agendists - not at all unlike those poofter rights activist judges.
Err... you have a misguided perception of what science is. Of course no one can revert to a fetal stage and experience it for themselves, however we can work off of the information/clues which we have and form an answer from them. Sure, the answer may in the end objectively be wrong, but we have no way of knowing that, so instead we should go by the best research we do have available.
As for research:
the myelin sheath, the insulating cover on nerve pathways that is required for efficient conduction of pain signals, does not begin forming around nervous system cells (neurons) in the spinal cord until about 24 weeks, and not till after birth in most of the cerebral cortex.
http://www.pediatrics.emory.edu/neonatology/dpc/brain.htm
They also back that claim up with;
Moore, Keith L. and T.V.N. Persaud. 2003. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. Saunders, Philadelphia, Penn. pp. 350
Morowitz, Harold J., and James S. Trefil. 1992. The Facts of Life: Science and the Abortion Controversy. Oxford University Press, New York, NY. pp. 119
Working connections between the thalamus and the higher cortex do not begin to form until about 20 to 26 weeks, with significant development of neuronal activity continuing after birth
http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/0000000CA93C.htm
It's not too hard to find SOME info on the matter.
On top of this, you must realise that these sort of issues have been raised in court many, many times... and even in the american court system where it is stacked with republican right-to-life'rs they still come down on the side of the pro-choice's due to the much more credible and numerous scientific evidence.
If a brain and a nervous system do not constitute suffient structure for pain receptors, by you opinion, then what does?
Read up more on the literature, I gave you some links. Living beings are not simple
Irreguardless, it would be better than letting women kill their child, and the majority of the Australian population agree (once we disclude the fence sitters, who are also numerous).
Er no they dont.
Infact the only reason we have this horrid law today is becuase of elitist judges who in no way represent society.
Well if you're the voice of the every day man, give me elitism.
As for the "womans pain", who cares about the feelings of a murder, not me.
Too bad it's not up to you, this is a collective decision for a society to make.
Infact I used to be the whole pro-choice, pro gay rights rights leftist collection, funny what a little observation and rational thought can do to a mind eh?
Unfortunately you've exhibited little of this. I've asked you to provide scientific literature to support your view that
I stopped listening to other people and truly made up my own mind on everything - most people dont realize it but probably 99% of your beliefs are determined by agendists rather than you.
Wow. Where'd you get that statistic from? Your arse?
99% of the things you say are wrong.
And when you rationally and objectively analyze this abortion issue, one quickly finds very little grey area (save maybe for rape), you either support murder for convenience or you dont.
Maybe you think so. But then you don't seem to have looked into the issue too much. You don't even seem to have a basic understanding of how fetus's/the brain develops. Beyond that you also don't seem to understand how science determines things, or even how the basic scientific method works.
Combine that with the fact that we never had a vote on abortion laws (decided for us by agendist judges, whereas had the entire population voted abortion would be illigal) - and its easy to see why these laws arent good for society.
Doubtful, where did you get these crazy statistics from? The overwhelming majority of australians are in support of abortion at the current time.
