2008 Presidential Election - Obama v McCain (2 Viewers)

[Iron]

I dont see how the 2000 McCain is ANY different. President Bush beat him and has lead his party since, during great crisis and personal popularity. Of course he'll support him. Fast forward 8yrs when Hillary runs again, it's like the GOP saying that she'll represent the same failed, weak Obama administration because she half-heartedly campaigned for him in 08.
Sure, the campaign hasnt been perfect, but it's too simplistic to say that his campaign is bad and Obama's is good. You can pay for your own message, but the real oxygen is the free media and they have been nuts over the novelty of Obama since he won Iowa. Although they like to push impartiality by not commenting on who's better qualified to run the biggest and best country on earth, but they cover him to the shithouse. That's as powerful an endorsement as any. In this context, the novely of Palin was unavoidable. She has been essential to the little coverage this campaign has received. It's for all the wrong reasons, but it was a small risk compared to no coverage and the bigger risk of Obama winning.
I'd agree with Slidey in saying that the founders did not forsee 2008. Technology has undermined their noble efforts to make sure the qualitified establishment candidate is elected - rather than the mob tyranny

 

[Captain Hero]

Then you'll be giggly at some bad news regarding Obama. He's linked to helping sue the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN (a social organisation) to allow mass voter registration.

A tactic that since has lead to massive voter fraud by ACORN to push a 'liberal' agenda:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j0Bzq5xq132UlpKLTagGiaNFa5pA

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/10/mccain_campaign_calls_for_inve.html

Completely unfiltered, I'm reading up on it now.

Sources from www.littlegreenfootballs.com

 

[Captain Hero]

I can't help but laugh outlandishly at the Republicans screaming about someone other than them trying to steal an election.

EDIT: They stole the 2000 and the 2004 elections. This is a fact.

 

[katie tully]

I think we all remember Miami in the election of 00.......

 

[Captain Hero]

Holy shit landmine #2 regarding ACORN: ACORN and Obama sued Citibank under the CRA and apparently their shit caused the subprime crisis (yeah I know glossing over most of the facts but, it's not like the American population are intelligent or anything)

THE seeds of today's financial meltdown lie in the Commu nity Reinvestment Act - a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.

CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in "subprime" loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.

Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA - and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.

In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America's financial institutions.

Banks already overexposed by these shaky loans were pushed still further in the wrong direction when government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac began buying up their bad loans and offering them for sale on world markets.

Fannie and Freddie acted in response to Clinton administration pressure to boost homeownership rates among minorities and the poor. However compassionate the motive, the result of this systematic disregard for normal credit standards has been financial disaster.

ONE key pioneer of ACORN's subprime-loan shakedown racket was Madeline Talbott - an activist with extensive ties to Barack Obama. She was also in on the ground floor of the disastrous turn in Fannie Mae's mortgage policies.

Long the director of Chicago ACORN, Talbott is a specialist in "direct action" - organizers' term for their militant tactics of intimidation and disruption. Perhaps her most famous stunt was leading a group of ACORN protesters breaking into a meeting of the Chicago City Council to push for a "living wage" law, shouting in defiance as she was arrested for mob action and disorderly conduct. But her real legacy may be her drive to push banks into making risky mortgage loans.

In February 1990, Illinois regulators held what was believed to be the first-ever state hearing to consider blocking a thrift merger for lack of compliance with CRA. The challenge was filed by ACORN, led by Talbott. Officials of Bell Federal Savings and Loan Association, her target, complained that ACORN pressure was undermining its ability to meet strict financial requirements it was obligated to uphold and protested being boxed into an "affirmative-action lending policy." The following years saw Talbott featured in dozens of news stories about pressuring banks into higher-risk minority loans.

IN April 1992, Talbott filed an other precedent-setting com plaint using the "community support requirements" of the 1989 savings-and-loan bailout, this time against Avondale Federal Bank for Savings. Within a month, Chicago ACORN had organized its first "bank fair" at Malcolm X College and found 16 Chicago-area financial institutions willing to participate.

Two months later, aided by ACORN organizer Sandra Maxwell, Talbott announced plans to conduct demonstrations in the lobbies of area banks that refused to attend an ACORN-sponsored national bank "summit" in New York. She insisted that banks show a commitment to minority lending by lowering their standards on downpayments and underwriting - for example, by overlooking bad credit histories.

Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0
Wheels falling off the Obama campaign?

 

[Trefoil]

Then you'll be giggly at some bad news regarding Obama. He's linked to helping sue the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN (a social organisation) to allow mass voter registration.

Yeah, Obama sued the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN.

Would you like to know who ACORN's co-defendant was? The Department of Justice.

http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/20/acornrumor

I wish people would stop buying into this anti-ACORN drivel. Did you know that of the 'vote fraud' cases reported about ACORN, ACORN itself submitted more than 90% of them to the authorities?

 

[Captain Hero]

Um, actually, Obama was suing somebody else. The defendants were ACORN (which was working for the government) and the Department of Justice.

on behalf of Acorn, Obama and a team of Chicago attorneys won a 1995 suit forcing the state of Illinois to implement the federal “motor-voter” bill

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

 

[Captain Hero]

Hold on how is *all* of the media so wrong about this?

 

[Enteebee]

i cant believe im going to say this, but UN Inspectors need to monitor these elections

who will monitor the monitors?

 

[Captain Hero]

who will monitor the monitors?

Big Brother. The UN is sickeningly powerful and corrupt.

 

[Captain Hero]

Actually, Obama's site has fabrications on it regarding ACORN.

ACORN article praising Obama's work for them, here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6512849/20081012-Chicago-Barack-Obama-Campaign

BOOM

EDIT1: Which doesn't actually contradict anything Obama's site says.

 

[Enteebee]

From what I heard about ACORN a) It's likely to be bottom-up fraud that the organisation its self does not support i.e. because they send people out to canvas who need to meet quotas etc
b) All of the fraud's probably going to be picked up anyway.

 

[Trefoil]

Actually, Obama's site has fabrications on it regarding ACORN.

ACORN article praising Obama's work for them, here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6512849/20081012-Chicago-Barack-Obama-Campaign

BOOM

EDIT1: Which doesn't actually contradict anything Obama's site says.

Yeah, as you say, that doesn't link Obama to ACORN.

'Bad ACORN' is a myth engineered by the GOP for two reasons:
1) for character assassination by proxy (guilt by association): the GOP likes to vilify targets and then link people to those targets to cast doubt on their judgement or integrity
2) to discredit ACORN in the eyes of the public: ACORN registers voters, but GOP doesn't like voter registration because it is overwhelmingly for the Democrats these days.

We're talking about the same GOP that has tried to stop homeless people (including those with foreclosed homes) from voting on the grounds that they don't have a residential address.

 

[Trefoil]

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

Sorry, I don't click links to the National Review. That's the same site that ran as credible an article suggesting Ayers wrote Obama's book 'Dreams From My Fathers'.

It was started by a staunch Republican (apparently somebody really powerful in their party). Interestingly, that Republican's son just put his support behind Obama (his first vote for the Democrats in his life).

From the fightthesmears site I linked above:

BARACK REPRESENTED ACORN IN A VOTER RIGHTS CASE AS AN ATTORNEY

Obama And Other Attorneys Represented ACORN In Their Suit Against The State Of Illinois To Force It To Implement The 1993 Motor Voter Law. In 2007, the AP reported, “Representing the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), Obama and other attorneys sued the state of Illinois, forcing it to implement federal ‘Motor Voter’ legislation that makes it easier for the poor and minorities to register to vote.” According the U.S. Court Of Appeals, 7th Circuit docket for ACORN v. Edgar, “Appellees, United States and others, sought to force appellant State of Illinois to comply with the provisions of the National Registration Act of 1993 (motor voter law)…The United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois granted the United States an injunction that compelled the State of Illinois to enforce the motor voter law. The State of Illinois appealed…On appeal, the State of Illinois argued that Congress could not force state governments to administer a federal program that facilitated the registration of voters in federal elections. The court stated that Congress had the power to regulate federal elections under the powers granted by [the U.S. Constitution] mandated the states to initially set up the system of federal elections within their own jurisdiction, subject to the whims of Congress. The court found that these powers and mandates implicitly extended to voter registration as well. [AP, 2/20/07; ACORN, et al v. Edgar, Nos. 95-1800, 95-1801, 95-1802, 95-1803]

Ø Obama Was One Of Three Miner Barnhill Attorneys To Represent ACORN When The Illinois State Board Of Elections Attempted To Dismiss The U.S. District Court’s Order In ACORN v. Edgar In Late 1995. Miner Barnhill Attorneys Obama, Judson Miner, and Jeffrey Cummings were listed as Counsel for ACORN when the Illinois State Board Of Elections attempted to dismiss the U.S. District Court’s order in ACORN v. Edgar in November 1995. On January 26, 1996, the U.S. Court Of Appeals denied the Board’s motion. According to the court’s opinion, “The court dismissed the appeal of defendant governor and other state officials because the district court had not issued a final order from which an appeal could be brought. [ACORN v. Illinois State Board Of Elections, et al. No. 95-3456, U.S. Court Of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit]

Ø Obama Was Listed As The Lead Attorney For ACORN In Court Proceeding Regarding Illinois Motor Voter Implementation Plans; Deval Patrick Was The Lead Attorney For The U.S. Department Of Justice. “For United States of America: Deval L. Patrick, Assistant Attorney General, James B. Burns, United States Attorney, Elizabeth Johnson, Barry H. Weinberg, Tricia A. Tingle, Peter A. Hernandez, Attorneys, Voting Section, Civil Rights Division, Department of Justice, Washington, DC….For Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, Barack Obama, Esq., Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, Chicago, Illinois, Steve Bachmann, Esq., ACORN, Granger, Indiana.” [ACORN v. Edgar, United States District Court, Northern District, Illinois, No. 95 C 174]

1995: Obama Received The IVI-IPO Legal Eagle Award For IVI-IPO For His Work In Bringing Illinois Into Compliance With The Motor Voter Law. “In 1993, Obama was named by Crain’s Chicago Business as one of “40 under 40” outstanding young leaders in the city of Chicago. He is the recipient of the 1995 Legal Eagle Award from IVI-IPO for his work in bringing Illinois into compliance with the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter). His commentaries have been heard on National Public Radio and his memoir Dreams of My Father was published by Random House in August 1995.” [IL State Senate Majority Caucus Obama Profile (Archived) available here]

 

[Captain Hero]

Dude I'm fully aware of the extent of GOP voter fraud. I got bored so I watched recount. I then read about all of the insane shit they were doing in 2004.

This entire rumour is bullshit. My apologies.

 

[jadee08]

Obama

 

[Trefoil]

Dude I'm fully aware of the extent of GOP voter fraud. I got bored so I watched recount. I then read about all of the insane shit they were doing in 2004.

I actually don't know too much about the 2000 and 2004 elections, but I have seen enough to come to the conclusion that it was most likely stolen by Bush in both cases.

I mean didn't we have recently a top former McCain aide who worked with Bush admit there were widespread plans to steal elections? I think he said they planned to do that this year as well - lose the popular vote by 1 or 2%, but win the electoral vote.

Of course, that won't fly when Obama is winning the pop vote by 6+% (check Polly lately) and is already winning the electoral vote without any of the swing states (latest poll for Colorado is Obama up 10%, giving Obama 273 electoral votes of 270 needed to win: http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/).

This entire rumour is bullshit. My apologies.

Sorry. I don't mean to be an arse about it. I'm just fucking sick of GOP nuts spreading it (which I know you aren't).

 

[Iron]

I like how on the one hand you liberals love to harp on about how stupid Americans are, and on the other you love to cite Obama's lead in the polls as legitimacy.

 

[A High Way Man]

How the fuck is poor people registering fake names going to change the outcome of the election. Fake people can't vote.

 

[slickstar_01]

http://jezebel.com/5060704/the-sarah-palin-non+photoshop-chop-fox-news-wants-to-alter-your-reality

What the hell is wrong with these idiots? People are dying of hunger around the world, people dont have jobs, people and businesses are going bankrupt, world economies are going through the worst period since the great depression and these people still find the time to talk about why was he/she not given access to latest cosmetic products, that picture is so eww?

Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable and the height of materialism.