2008 Presidential Election - Obama v McCain (2 Viewers)

[Nebuchanezzar]

defend =/= attack!

 

[bigboyjames]

Ok, they wished death and destruction upon the satanic empire of America. I understand their motives now. Permission to defend?
Denied!

No act is without motive or explanation.

 

[Enteebee]

To say that the tyrants had no explanation and to label the terrorists as maniacs, or as the press liked to use "mindless", is to say that they don't have a mind, theyre too crazy, so we don't have to explain a motive, because they couldn't possibly have capacity for one. That's a very dangerous course. No act is without motive or explanation. If you aren't aware of it, you can justify any response (eg destroying Afghanistan and Iraq).

Their motivation was a radically conservative religious ideology. They believed they were doing God's will.

 

[moll.]

McCain/Pallin 08!

Dude. You can't even spell her name right.

 

[bigboyjames]

Yeah, but you must consider that Ireland is at least of similar culture and tradition to Britain. In Afghanistan we're talking about completely dissimilar cultures and traditions coming to a clash.

lol, what does cultures have anything do do with this?

 

[bigboyjames]

look guys, ive got to go and study for exam. talk later.

 

[moll.]

Their motivations were an extremely conservative religious ideology. They believed they were doing God's will.

And Bush at least partly believes he was doing God's work by invading.
The difference?
No-one listens to Al-Qaeda and their beliefs.

 

[Enteebee]

And Bush at least partly believes he was doing God's work by invading.
The difference?
No-one listens to Al-Qaeda and their beliefs.

Sure enough, but their religious beliefs there haven't led them to do something particularly evil from the standpoint of, well at least my secular ethics. If the Bush Administration did the same things, for the same reasons but under the banner of 'christianity' I would still vehemently oppose them.

 

[moll.]

Sure enough, but their religious beliefs there haven't led them to do something particularly evil from the standpoint of, well at least my secular ethics. If the Bush Administration did the same things, for the same reasons but under the banner of 'christianity' I would still vehemently oppose them.

"Same things" as al-Qaeda or as they already have done?
Sorry, confused.

 

[moll.]

lol, what does cultures have anything do do with this?

If they're of similar cultures, they can understand each other. They know how to deal with each other. But America has no clue how to deal with the Afghani people due to such a vastly different culture.

 

[Captain Hero]

lol you don't think there was a very substantial link between the Taliban and al-queda?

Dude Al Qaeda doesn't exist as a large terrorist network:

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000753.html

IIRC it was initially a US State Department list of TALIBAN OPERATIVES (Yo dogg dis be in da 80s). Which means you are CORRECT, Sir!

 

[Captain Hero]

Eterbee, please state clearly what good has come out of our involvement In Afghanistan. no dodgy 3 year old answers.

Massive increase in Opium production to nearly 90% of the market!

 

[Captain Hero]

Do you propose an invasion of Saudi Arabia, or non invasions at all?

The US owns Saudi Arabia, lock stock and barrel.

 

[JaredR]

i do not propose an invasion on Saudi Arabia. but i do propose the people of Saudi Arabia rise up against their tyrannic-totalitarian-theocratic government. if people want freedom and liberation, it must come from within the country.....if anybody has learnt from history, real freedom is dirty, bloody and long fought by the people FOR THE PEOPLE...not this bullshit that the United states and western powers offer (puppet regimes).

the problem with invading Saudi Arabia is you will see a instantaneous global economic consequences, which is not in the best interest of the united states second largest supplier after Canada is Saudi Arabia.

also, you cannot place blame a country for a hand full of radical fuckheads. just because 11 assholes like smashing planes into buildings does not mean the government is responsible of those crimes. if this is how the world were to run, it will lead to a dangerous precedence on a global scale.

It's about time you realised that there are worser powers in the Middle East than the State of Israel which is not governed by a government which enforces tyrannic policies on her own citizens nor a totalitarian-theocratic government.

 

[Captain Hero]

It's about time you realised that there are worser powers in the Middle East than the State of Israel which is not governed by a government which enforces tyrannic policies on her own citizens nor a totalitarian-theocratic government.

This.

 

[bigboyjames]

If they're of similar cultures, they can understand each other. They know how to deal with each other. But America has no clue how to deal with the Afghani people due to such a vastly different culture.

im not sure how you can use that as an argument. in fact, the only way US forces could ever have left Vietnam during the Vietnam war was under the Paris peace act between north Vietnamese viet kong and the United states. only after this agreement were US military forces able to withdraw from south vietnam.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Massive increase in Opium production to nearly 90% of the market!

rly?

 

[Captain Hero]

rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Production_in_Afghanistan

Mindblowing.

In 2007, 93% of the opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan.[1] This amounts to an export value of about $4 billion, with a quarter being earned by opium farmers and the rest going to district officials, insurgents, warlords and drug traffickers[2]. In the seven years (1994-2000) prior to a Taliban opium ban, the Afghan farmers' share of gross income from opium was divided among 200,000 families.[3]

 

[Trefoil]

Tasmania makes the world's largest supply of legal opium.

Yeah. So... there.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Production has doubled. I like it. The more pleasurable analgesics on the market the better.