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This is what I was talking about with complex time, it is only finite from our perspective etc., but hawking later developed the idea to show that even in our timeline having a no boundary condition doesn't result in a closed universe.

This was where I was going next but then I forgot about this thread Edit: Whoo complex time.

see me trollin', they hatin'

You may be right I just googled it, point stands.

visually amazing =/= epic.

I'd rather a book leave me with a thousand more questions than ask me to succumb to ignorance.

Well regardless, before time is a contradiction of terms.

size 12 http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/picture-25.png or Jennifer Hawkins, size 6 http://l.yimg.com/ea/img/-/100101/100103_jen_hawkins_cover-15jqkvt.jpg

yeah they wouldnt bend stats because their readership are women or anything.

Mate I mean from a physics standpoint not philosophy, within the context of the universe you cannot have a "before" time, but you're right I should have been more clear.

They are with us forever. MAD doesn't really hold true anymore though.

maybe it's quantum physics. Also I hate the idea that god is separate from time and that is enough - the concept of time breaks down at the big bang too and so to say that there was anything before the big bang (for it to have been created) is nonsensical. Essentially I think it is stupid that...

Whoa I just thought of an awesome extension to that idea. If you accept then that god didn't create the universe (as that would be a decision, which is incongruent with omniscience), and it just happened, it then why does it need god to just happen? Edit: I concede this is a very esoteric...

If he exists in a parallel sphere of existence and has no connection with our universe, (and seemingly never has since there is no physical evidence to suggest otherwise), occam's razor makes it pretty simple to slice god off.

10 is pretty big I'd say 6-8 is healthy

Ignoring the fact that an omniscient and omnipresent god makes human free will impossible, and therefore the concept of heaven and hell and faith redundant, it also makes gods own existence impossible as someone that knows everything can't have free will (since it knows what choice it will make...

God can't exist.

"The bible is the absolute word of god, we know this because it says so (in the bible) - that is why we shouldn't interpret it literally and instead how we see fit to oppress people who don't agree with us and force our views onto other people."

I wouldn't cos he isn't real.

Because if you are a known murderer people are likely to a) seek revenge, b) avoid you. you are mixing up biology and sociology.