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My bible tells me original sin was rebellion against God ( he said not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil , and they did), not having sex. :) Sex is not bad. Read song of solomon , :)

So there is a difference between a fetus and a baby? When is the fetus a baby? Does it become a baby when it....pops out... At the moment i dont like abortion at all. It seems illogical to me to accept it in some circumstances and not in others.... if i were to change my mind i believe id be for...

Pardon. I dont think your comment then about remembering the birth was all that relevant. I dont think the fetus will remember being terminated either. Of course the birth would practically destroy the girls life. You arent seeing what i am saying. I dont need to discuss how traumatic and...

:) I do not remember my own birth. I didnt think that was what i and Boris were saying...

Is your position firm because the fetus is not BORN? Is it because you have not seen the fetus that it holds less value? Or is it because the fetus is likely mutated and unlikely to have any sort of happy existance , or....is it all of these factors? What if the girl had already given birth...

I know, I know. You also keep going on about the innocent child.....its horrible. I am seeing it for what it is. You think i cant comprehend the situation? I certainly cant fully , never having been in it, but im not retarded & I have a heart. TBH i dont know whether you are right in asserting...

I really hate abortion. But i know.... It is easy to see the fully developed life here already, the one that is already cherished by others. I guess its a like the situation where the baby being carried full term will kill the mother , and likely die itself.

I can see it for what it is. I wanted this to be discussed for what it really is. Despite your calling me a retard :) , thanks for answering the q. Are you a nurse?

There'd be three people who say God exists, 8 million who say they dont know but they dont think so , and three who say he doesnt exist. :)

Are you serious? Ugh. Cause God wants us miserable.

So you are ethically saying that the life of the little girl is to be more valued and protected than that of the little baby. That is the debate. People will have to be rational and not emotional to work out the answer to this question. Little defenceless baby? Little innocent child?

okay. ( some are better than others) Hey i gotta go , have a great day:)

Yeah I know. I suppose that when you believe in absolute right and wrong , it is hard to make concessions? And if they regard "it" (LOL) as just as human as the woman/girl, then destroying it wold be considered as bad as killing the woman/girl. Its a horrible , horrible situation.

Well , you and I dont see eye to eye on all , but ill give you this , when some preachers talk about creationism , they often shoot themselves in the foot:) The free donuts are awesome. As is dinner after. Do they ever play Nooma DVDs , i think u can get them from u tube? We watched one on...

Oh wow. But...thankfully not biologically possible :) God plays at killing people? I agree with your edit.

Owwww. I thought i might have known you.... okay:) Is that weird , going when u dont believe in any of it?

Awesome. Pastors Shane and Rachel Cook?

No. :) So you were brought up in a pentecostal church? What kind? As in , was it Hills style or ccc style?

I know its vague :P I just didnt want to write any details I wasnt 100% sure of , i dont remember the whole conversation. (The mans wife told me.) I would assume he was on medication. However , i think if the doctor had thought it was due to the medication his response to the change would be...

Hmm. The other week I did hear of an older man with very bad heart disease , who was prayed for and on the next visit to the hospital , the doctor said , i really cant explain this , but you have the heart of a teenager , no trace of heart disease..that's nice for him. I think I do believe that...