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History dosen't interest me very much, and honestly I wouldn't have a clue how to reply to your thread, except that my faith is strong and going. But your point has nothing to do with my argument. Church transforms people. It makes them BETTER, and really benefits humanity. Even IF (i...

About the citation. If you Google it you'll find it. Its pretty common knowledge. Even some galaxies are apparently expanding greater then the speed of light. But on your second point. Can I please point you to this. http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15307 It follows a series...

Firstly inbuilt failure was not a input by God. The Church's doctrine is that God created human perfect. But we we're gifted with free will and with it was sin. And addressing morality, I think you missed my drift. I used morality as an argument for the purposefulness of Church. They change...

You say a lot of stuff about the bible. Please do show me some evidence, at least link me somehow. I could just as easily point you to documentaries that I have seen presenting the Gospels as truth and historically accurate, even recorded by secular historians. Now I am not very well versed in...

Yea you win. Good reasoning and logic.

There is a line between argumentation and just being rude. And this is heavily idiotic. Where are your reasoning? You are sick of people having beliefs? Christianity is a terrible belief system? I did open my mind and I found God. I wasn't raised in a Christian family. Why don't you open...

Kay. I just then condemned the Catholic church, if they are covering it up. But that's not a Doctrine issue. That's a human issue. Can you name me some wars started over religion? Just curious. I have no knowledge about it that's all. But there are wars started over greed as well no? Majority...

Well, I am not up to date on the scandals. But they should be fixing it. And if they don't, that is pretty awful stuff. And I would condemn like any other atheist. In fact I should be critical to a greater degree.

Well the Anglican church has done much good and we follow the same book. I find it ethical and morally righteous. I find it consistent and logical. Now the disagreement stems from the fact that we are presuming that we understanding God and his mechanics to guide the world. But we dont. The...

What is wrong with you? Have you been reading anything I am typing? Or have you being blinded preconceived ideas of anger and hatred. The Catholic church is fixing it. Those priests deserves to be persecuted and criminal dealt with. They need to be morally reformed.... Absolutely. I am not...

And I agree with you completely. Arrogance fills people that are religious. They are embedded by a unchangeable fascination with the "law" and instead forgets that they too are bad people. I define myself as an Anglican, and that is my belief. There are many problems with the Church. And as i...

Well I dont believe that priests should be celibate. My pastors are happily married and have children. They should be prosecuted and punishment should be heeded. We believe that we must obey the laws of society and be good Samaritans. But as you said yourself, the church is fallible.

Well I do believe people need to be changed morally. But for argument sakes, lets say some people need to be changed morally, and all for the benefit of society. Thieves, people obsessed with greed to name a few. Well I believe I was created sick. I know my mind and the horrendous deeds that...

I don't think the Priest molested children because they said to themselves, yea God told me so. And to be honest, the church did stuff up. But regulations are in place, to ensure the safety of children in churches. What had happened is a human error.

Well Im just pointing out facts. Humans murder, rape, are greedy. Even our subconscious are filled with ville things. Now if you dont agree then so be it. I cant change that. Just beyond religion, literature teaches us the same inherit message. Humanity is amoral. Shakespeare is plagued with...

So have atheists. Your logic is clearly flawed. They did not commit these crimes because Christianity promoted it. Never. Rather its because of humanity's inherit stupidity and sinfulness. I can as easily say, Atheists are rapists, murders and killed millions more people than Christians...

My point is, the Church changes people? It reforms people and make horridly immoral people good Samaritans. Name me a secular organization that changes people morally. If Religion had not being there, a large part of Charity would not be there. I am not stating that Church is the sole charity...

Well they ain't true Christians. Have you read what the churches promote? How can one change human sinfulness and stupidity? But more than that, there are far more "beneficial" Christians then they are not.

Is that Church Doctrine or human stupidity? Its like saying because some terriost proclaim their actions on Muslim doctrine, all muslims are bad. Obviously that's a stereotype and the perception of such things can only be negative provoking hatred and racism amongst society. We must not succumb...

Lol. Yeas... the church is not a perfect creation. But are you so blind to the various programs it offer to help rehibilate society? Charities, donation of money to poor people. Even St Vincent De Pauls have a religious bases, evident by its name. And yes, the Church is not perfect. But are you?