Another islamic terrorist attack in France (1 Viewer)

[thetestdude]

That's an awfully low bar you're setting there

wdym?

 

[Trebla]

Yes....do you not?

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

 

[SylviaB]

wdym?

The fact that there are muslims who don't support terrorism is not much of a standard that you're setting

 

[SylviaB]

Ah yeah I had heard about this.

I really don’t understand how you can condemn the cartoons but not the acts of terrorism?

Exactly. I feel like so many people described as being "moderate" are more upset over the cartoons than the murders

 

[Ice-Cream-Man]

the muslims should just stay in their lane and make kebabs

taint it for those that makes the cartoons

case closed

 

[thetestdude]

The fact that there are muslims who don't support terrorism is not much of a standard that you're setting

That's what you believe.

There are between 1.8-2.1 billion Muslims today, to think that all of them are terrorists is simply delusional. If this were true, I don't think you and I would be capable of posting messages on this forum today.

The standard is already set. It's up to each individual whether or not to recognise it.

 

[SylviaB]

That's what you believe.

There are between 1.8-2.1 billion Muslims today, to think that all of them are terrorists is simply delusional. If this were true, I don't think you and I would be capable of posting messages on this forum today.

The standard is already set. It's up to each individual whether or not to recognise it.

Nobody believes they're all terrorists. My point is you're saying "not all muslims support terrorism" which is not much of an accomplishment.

It appears very likely that at hundreds of millions of muslims at least approve of terrorism. And its not just nobodies of no significance, the leader of Iran and the ex-PM of Malaysia both explicitly support terrorism and were elected primarily by muslim populations.

A majority of muslims do support shariah law in some form or other, which ultimately means they support the use of force to enforce Islamic beliefs.

 

[B1andB2]

What are you implying? That muslims are dangerous?

nothing is more dangerous than bigotry by anyone, towards anyone.

 

[SylviaB]

nothing is more dangerous than bigotry by anyone, towards anyone.

Being against slavery = bigotry

got it

 

[SylviaB]

nothing is more dangerous than bigotry by anyone, towards anyone.

you think cartoons are more dangerous than beheadings

jfc

 

[thetestdude]

And its not just nobodies of no significance, the leader of Iran and the ex-PM of Malaysia both explicitly support terrorism and were elected primarily by muslim populations.

Okay, but why mention Iran over a country like Saudi Arabia? I've had a few Muslim Persian mates in the past and I can confirm none of them had a mentality that comes even close to that of a terrorist.

Iran is a much more complex political issue than merely Islam and terrorism which I don't want to get into. Saudi Arabia on the other hand, would've been a much better example of a country that fully implements shariah law. People are beheaded, fingers/arms are cut if someone does something wrong. This forced one of my father's friends (who worked there previously) to leave the country unexpectedly due to trauma as a result of him witnessing a public execution.

It appears very likely that at hundreds of millions of muslims at least approve of terrorism.

Also, this assumption is very distorted and isn't backed up by much evidence. "Hundreds of millions" is a massive number.

Take France for example, there are over 4 million Muslims. How many of those actually engaged in terrorism? Tens? I don't think it could be more than a 100 at the highest.

Approval of terorrism most likely implies the presence of intention/will to engage in such conduct, which, looking at the numbers, cannot be applied to a high proportion of the Muslim population.

 

[B1andB2]

you think cartoons are more dangerous than beheadings

jfc

Bigotry fits into both those contexts.

Hence bigotry is the most dangerous.

 

[thetestdude]

Also, I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who use BoS. It's pretty bold of you to indirectly accuse them of supporting terrorism.

 

[SylviaB]

Okay, but why mention Iran over a country like Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia has a long history of funding extremism, and also executes and imprisons people for "blashpemy" and apostasy, so yes, Saudi Arabia is the epitome of islamic extremism having wide support.

I've had a few Muslim Persian mates in the past and I can confirm none of them had a mentality that comes even close to that of a terrorist.

Great argument. You know a few people.

Iran is a much more complex political issue than merely Islam and terrorism which I don't want to get into.

The leader of Iran explicitly supports terrorism: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/iran-accuses-frances-macron-of-fuelling-extremism

Also, this assumption is very distorted and isn't backed up by much evidence. "Hundreds of millions" is a massive number.

Muslims across the world are expressing extreme outrage at the moment, not because muslims commit heinous acts of violence against innocent people, but because of some cartoon and the French president saying that its wrong to kill people for cartoons. ANYONE who thinks cartoons are a bigger problem than literal MURDER is not a moderate.

Take France for example, there are over 4 million Muslims. How many of those actually engaged in terrorism? Tens? I don't think it could be more than a 100 at the highest.

I said APPROVES of terrorism. I didn't say they commit terrorist attacks. As for actual terrorists, you're ignoring the thousands of people who have been arrested before they carried out an attack.

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No dumb dumb, it means they APPROVE of terrorism. It's right there in the word approval.

 

[SylviaB]

Also, I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who use BoS. It's pretty bold of you to indirectly accuse them of supporting terrorism.

there are literally muslims in this thread who have implied that this violence is an understandable response to some fucking cartoons

 

[SylviaB]

Bigotry fits into both those contexts.

Hence bigotry is the most dangerous.

Okay, but cartoons aren't hurting anyone, whereas beheadings are. So your point is completely wrong.

 

[B1andB2]

cartoons aren't hurting anyone,

ok sylvia, you win. Did you enjoy the political discussion with kids half your age?

 

[SylviaB]

ok sylvia, you win. Did you enjoy the political discussion with kids half your age?

you're doing HSC at age 12? impressive

 

[B1andB2]

you're doing HSC at age 12? impressive

yeah did you think I’m like the slow coaches on here?

 

[thetestdude]

Quoting Al Jazeera to prove that Iran's leader supports terrorism is a big mistake. It is known that Al Jazeera is a highly biased Qatari channel that is backed up by Sunni Muslim ideology, which is opposed to Iran's Shia Muslim system. Al Jazeera would do anything to contribute to the deterioration of Iran on a range of aspects. Again, we're getting deep into Iran's politics, which is a whole topic on its own.

Muslims across the world are expressing extreme outrage at the moment, not because muslims commit heinous acts of violence against innocent people, but because of some cartoon and the French president saying that its wrong to kill people for cartoons. ANYONE who thinks cartoons are a bigger problem than literal MURDER is not a moderate.

If I recall correctly, the order was cartoon was shown --> murder took place.

There was an action, to which we saw a reaction. (Not justifying murder in any way, I'm just looking at the cause of it).

Logically, if there wasn't anything wrong with the cartoon, no one would've done/said anything about it. We would've all moved on (unless of course, someone is mentally disabled or is on drugs but that's irrelevant in this case). Muslims are not a bunch of Hitlers that go around killing people whenever they feel like it.

Also, I, as a Chrisitan, would be one of the first people to protest if I see an offensive drawing/cartoon of Jesus being displayed carelessly. But it would end there, I wouldn't kill anyone because of that, which is where you and I both agree.

No dumb dumb, it means they APPROVE of terrorism. It's right there in the word approval.

Approval of terrorism implies you would be okay to be present in an environment where terrorism prevails. That alone indicates a terrorist mentality. So yes, approving terrorism does mean you would be willing to contribute to it because it's something you're okay with.