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How would you tackle integrals of the form



where m is odd and n is even?


(Within the scope of MX2)
 

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Use integration by parts to construct a two-step recurrence relation in both variables.

Alternatively, convert it into the fundamental trigonometric ratios and reduce the cosines and sines.
 

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Use integration by parts to construct a two-step recurrence relation in both variables.

Alternatively, convert it into the fundamental trigonometric ratios and reduce the cosines and sines.
Oh dear. So there isn't a trivial substitution like the two other cases have?
 

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I'm afraid this case is the most tedious of the bunch.
 

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What they mean by equations 1 is the circle identity of secx and tanx, and the derivative of tanx and secx.
 

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Oh sorry lol, I was thinking of a sec rather than sec^2 being the thing expanded.

Ouch. Figures, my suspicions were right. (Might need a tiny revision in those notes @ photastic)

Thank goodness we have reduction formulae I guess...
 

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Ouch. Figures, my suspicions were right. (Might need a tiny revision in those notes @ photastic)

Thank goodness we have reduction formulae I guess...
Yeah, you may want to pre-derive that formula before setting out to tackle an integral like this so that you have it handy if you need it.
 

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As an aside, what about the ever so disgusting tangent half angle substitution?

Is that a viable method?
 

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It's probably horrifyingly tedious most of the time. But in principle it'd work.
 

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Ouch. Figures, my suspicions were right. (Might need a tiny revision in those notes @ photastic)

Thank goodness we have reduction formulae I guess...
Lol they're from MATH1251 :p
 

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How would you tackle integrals of the form



where m is odd and n is even?


(Within the scope of MX2)
Actually the Ext 2 syllabus specifically states that these questions are NOT part of the course:

"Recurrence relations such as ....... which involve more than one integer parameter, are excluded."
 

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Actually the Ext 2 syllabus specifically states that these questions are NOT part of the course:

"Recurrence relations such as ....... which involve more than one integer parameter, are excluded."
Maybe leehuan meant when the m and n are particular numerical values rather than parameters? E.g. finding something like ∫sec3 x tan2 x dx.
 

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Actually the Ext 2 syllabus specifically states that these questions are NOT part of the course:

"Recurrence relations such as ....... which involve more than one integer parameter, are excluded."
I see no reason as to why double parameter integrals should not be part of the HSC.
 

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Maybe leehuan meant when the m and n are particular numerical values rather than parameters? E.g. finding something like ∫sec3 x tan2 x dx.
Actually he probably did. I didn't read the post properly and missed "of the form".
 

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