SylviaB
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Yes but it mentions that murder is forbidden. Ultimately, it comes down to the definition and application of 'murder' in this particular context.
SherlockHolmes
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True, but due to lack of education on abortion (as I previously mentioned), people believe that that is murder and they ignore the actual, scientific facts. Probably staying ignorant because they want some extra points when they get into their 'heaven'.
townie
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When life beings is a philosophical not scientific question though. Science can tell us when an unborn bay can start feeling, when its heart starts beating, when its brain becomes active etc. but it can't tell you when life begins (and therefore can't tell you when it is and isn't murder)
Lolsmith
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The only argument I have ever heard that has made me feel some sort of sympathy for pro-lifers is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being against a practice that you believe is murder.
SylviaB
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"A third bill proposes preventing women terminating a pregnancy on the grounds of race or sex."
tfw feminists support racism and sexism
kfnmpah
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i guess their beliefs are wrong then?
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kfnmpah
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yes ok unless the father doesn't want a child and then has to pay child support for 18 years
kfnmpah
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(i am still """pro choice""" but seriously)
kaz1
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I really don't get why abortion is such a big deal.
townie
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You're killing an innocent child
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i wouldn't say "innocent"
they're pretty much a parasite, eating the mother out from the inside
we kill lice every day
why not babbies?!?!!??
townie
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I have a weird view on abortion. I think it's fairly abhorrent (except in the VERY early stages of pregnancy), but I also believe that it's a woman's right to have one if she so chooses
Lolsmith
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Not necessarily
But the way I view abortion is for harm minimisation. The women who don't want kids can have legitimate professionals performing legal operations in order to terminate their pregnancy, as opposed to backyard surgeries where some doctors even raped pregnant women as a means of payment. Not to mention the total lack of hygiene and professionalism. On the flip side, the women who either want to have kids or don't but don't believe in abortion on whatever grounds can avoid the practice entirely. There are dozens of stories from doctors in the U.S and Australia believe it or not where patients they have performed abortions on have previously and continued to picket their offices. Ever heard the term: "the only moral abortion is my abortion"?
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This does not concern the rights of women, it concerns life and death. Would you like someone to have aborted you, before you were able to enter and experience the world? I didn't think so. This goes far beyond the 'rights of women' argument, this is not some petty issue about whether or not women are treated equally. Do you HONESTLY think its fair that a soon to be person, just like you or I, can be essentially murdered (at some stages) for the reason that 'I can't care for it right now' or 'it was an accident'. There are plenty of ways around that. On that note, I do believe circumstantial abortion has some substance to its argument (e.g. pregnancy as a result of rape). Also, I'm atheist so therefore have no views in that respect, it's just fundamental human rights ie. the right to life. As for the Vatican, that's been tradition for MANY years and I doubt they are in any position to change, however I do agree with you on that. We have however just recently had (note 'had') a women Prime Minister (and look how that turned out LOL).
It does refer to abortion directly on one occasion. Additionally, you are calling preserving life skewed morals? What then, would you say for murder? I bet you'd be pretty unhappy if you were aborted for some frivolous reason. I certainly would be. Most people who opt for abortions are normally young, uneducated, and choose this for the simple reason that it was 'unintended'. Now THAT is skewed morals.
Ethical debates are naturally logically inconsistent and hypocritical. We're all trying to make up excuses for what we believe and trying to stick to one side.
Abhorrent, illogical and self righteous views. ETHICS.
- If the church did not exist I may well be against abortion as I am naturally against the church defining views and getting support. An apparently disgusting way to form a view but true.
- Then there is the view that we're all essentially the same being and the only difference is the distance between our cells and thus separate lives are meaningless in themselves.
- I feel bad for killing people who might have a future. But then question how deep such a statement is.
- Then I get all chaos theoryful and realise my walking outside could lead to a death of someone at some stage.
- However then I find all my previous views very hypocritical as daily I base all decisions upon vague feelings dependent on the belief specific actions cause specific things to happen.
- Finally I admit killing babies is really bad so I am against abortion.
- But then I feel bad for in turn supporting all manner of other crackpot loony ideas so I feel strongly in support of abortion. While a bad thing it represents logical consistency with other views I may hold against the church. It is sad that religious prejudice plays such a strong role in my views.
Abhorrent, illogical and self righteous views. ETHICS.
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Lolsmith
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Thanks for adding absolutely nothing of worth to this discussion