Presidential Election (4 Viewers)

[halapenyo]

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/he-called-it-and-now-silvers-a-popculture-star-20121112-2978j.html

shieet predicted the winner in all 50 states. notbad.jpg

 

[funkshen]

obama is going to be the best president ever guise

 

[Riproot]

obama is going to be the best president ever guise

 

[funkshen]

 

[Lolsmith]

Steady on, Romney is a decent, capable and fair man, he was a good governor of Massachusettes and would have been one of the better Presidents the United States had had. The great tragedy of politics is that whenever the Republicans do come back to power (and they eventually will) it will probably be some awful neocon lie Bush or Reagan.

But I don't get it

I see very little distinction between Obama and Bush because there seems to be very little distinction between them apart from race and rhetoric. In what ways have they differed in substance as opposed to style?

 

[halapenyo]

But I don't get it

I see very little distinction between Obama and Bush because there seems to be very little distinction between them apart from race and rhetoric. In what ways have they differed in substance as opposed to style?

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20-100-ways-barack-obama-is-just.html

 

[funkshen]

http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20-100-ways-barack-obama-is-just.html

that post is stoopid, and i can think of a reasonable response to almost all of the points. which is kind of besides the point anyways, because americans don't elect a new government every four years but rather one guy who brings a bunch of other guys along with him, and to criticise the continuity between the last guy and the new guy is facile and conceited. moreover, the post is just another example of the shitty archetype of hackneyed libertarian and idealist blogs and for that reason is even more stoopid

 

[Lolsmith]

oh it's the vibe you know.

...so "no" is your answer?

 

[Riproot]

You don't consider Bush starting two major wars in his first term at all significant?

No because they were justified because Arab blood.

 

[Lolsmith]

You don't consider Bush starting two major wars in his first term at all significant?

Yes I do, but Obama continued (and escalated) them for years. He also gave material and military support (iirc) to a fighting force in Libya without ascertaining the type of group he was supporting.

 

[Lolsmith]

Escalated? How so? Incidentally Libya and Iraq are classic examples of the right and wrong way to go about regime change.

Introduced more troops and increased the defence budget. I will give him credit, he has scaled them back from Iraq since, but he didn't meet the date he made in his 2008 election promise.

 

[soloooooo]

The Iraq & Afghanistan wars were certainly justified. The US needs to go into Syria immediately now though.

 

[soloooooo]

and do what precisely?

Clear out the government/militants, run the country for the short term, then in the long term help to establish a democratically elected government who can work with America to help improve the lives of the Syrian people.

 

[Riproot]

Yes I do, but Obama continued (and escalated) them for years. He also gave material and military support (iirc) to a fighting force in Libya without ascertaining the type of group he was supporting.

 

[Riproot]

Clear out the government/militants, run the country for the short term, then in the long term help to establish a democratically elected government who can work with America to help improve the lives of the Syrian people.

lol

 

[halapenyo]

Clear out the government/militants, run the country for the short term, then in the long term help to establish a democratically elected government who can work with America to help improve the lives of the Syrian people.

lol

 

[soloooooo]

Right and you think putting US troops on the ground is going to make them more or less likely to give popular (democratic) support to a government palatable to the US?

If done correctly, more.

 

[halapenyo]

If done correctly, more.

because obviously it worked so well in Iran, Kuwait and Iraq.

 

[Lolsmith]

Adjusting to the circumstances of the day in something so unpredictable as war is a far cry from starting one.

is it though

 

[Riproot]

is it though

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