Do most schools have people who leave 40-30 minutes early? (4 Viewers)

[LifeBoats]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether Aaron6693 got an ATAR of 92, 94, 96 or 97 or something else as he got into the university course that he wanted to get into which is all that matters. As soon as you do that, your ATAR is not relevant anymore and if you ask anyone in uni what ATAR they got or you tell them, then they will think you are a massive douchebag.

Don't you get it?! It's not about the 'ATAR', it's just knowing that you've done your best and feeling proud of yourself for achieving something that you've worked really hard for, whether it be 92, 94, 96 or 97. You're going to hit a roadblock eventually if you just want to float through life.

 

[Aaron6693]

Yes. Yes, I am saying you didn't do your best. Whatever you did, you could have still done better. An extra 1.5 hours would have given you several more marks. Even if you didn't need them, why wouldn't you just try anyway? It doesn't make sense to me; you've tried so hard over the course of the HSC, why won't you just spend an extra freaking hour and a half on a stupid exam?

And no, it is not 'more often than not'. Where are you even getting your information? Who have you known that 'doesn't go out and only study'? Do you even know these people personally? Stop being condescending to people who just try harder than you do.

I'm not being condescending at all. I think people who are THAT devoted to their studies and spend all that time going hard-out like that are very commendable. Do I think it's a smart thing to just ignore the social aspect though? Absolutely not.

And that just makes you completely wrong. During my exams, I stayed until I checked over my work, obviously (almost like a ritual o.0), after doing my best to make sure I answered all the questions to the best of my ability. Once you've checked over your answers etc, whats the point of sitting there for another 1.5 hours?

There is none...at all.

 

[asadass]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether Aaron6693 got an ATAR of 92, 94, 96 or 97 or something else as he got into the university course that he wanted to get into which is all that matters. As soon as you do that, your ATAR is not relevant anymore and if you ask anyone in uni what ATAR they got or you tell them, then they will think you are a massive douchebag.

Would you rather hire a person who got a 93-97 atar, but lies consistently

or

hire a person with a 99+ atar, but as you firmly suggest, lacks a little in the 'social' department

 

[soloooooo]

Don't you get it?! It's not about the 'ATAR', it's just knowing that you've done your best and feeling proud of yourself for achieving something that you've worked really hard for, whether it be 92, 94, 96 or 97.

I have no qualms with that statement. Just be careful that you don't focus all your energy into achieving only one goal (e.g. an ATAR) and not putting energy into other goals (e.g. a part time job, a sporting team, social life etc).

 

[Aaron6693]

Don't you get it?! It's not about the 'ATAR', it's just knowing that you've done your best and feeling proud of yourself for achieving something that you've worked really hard for, whether it be 92, 94, 96 or 97. You're going to hit a roadblock eventually if you just want to float through life.

I absolutely agree with you on this 100%. What I dont understand however is how you'd associate someone leaving early in an exam, given that they've tried their hardest, to 'floating through life'...if thats what you're saying.

 

[soloooooo]

Would you rather hire a person who got a 93-97 atar, but lies consistently

or

hire a person with a 99+ atar, but as you firmly suggest, lacks a little in the 'social' department

I wouldn't hire either of them.

If it is a sales role or similar, then okay, fair enough, person 1 gets the job. If it is a role where he is reporting to me, then no. I wouldn't give either job to person 2.

 

[LifeBoats]

I'm not being condescending at all. I think people who are THAT devoted to their studies and spend all that time going hard-out like that are very commendable. Do I think it's a smart thing to just ignore the social aspect though? Absolutely not.
And that just makes you completely wrong. During my exams, I stayed until I checked over my work, obviously (almost like a ritual o.0), after doing my best to make sure I answered all the questions to the best of my ability. Once you've checked over your answers etc, whats the point of sitting there for another 1.5 hours?

There is none...at all.

But who in the world says that they are? That is completely unfounded.

 

[Aaron6693]

Obviously we've all got different views on this topic, but at least we can discuss civilly for the most part.

 

[barbernator]

soloooooo can you please define "exceptionally smart"

 

[soloooooo]

But who in the world says that they are? That is completely unfounded.

Perhaps you are one of the exceptions to the rule, but from what I have seen a lot of people do focus only on their academic goals and nothing else. Those are the people who often struggle to find a job after doing their bachelors, hence do a masters degree, then struggle even further as they are now overqualified with no work experience.

 

[soloooooo]

soloooooo can you please define "exceptionally smart"

Why? Did I use that in a post somewhere?

 

[Aaron6693]

But who in the world says that they are? That is completely unfounded.

Not every single one of them is, I'm not saying that at all. But there are those that DO do that, and there are MANY of them. If you want an example of that, I can only say that one of my good friends was like that; Incredibly smart, but during the HSC was almost non-existant in terms of social interaction.

Now she regrets it, and has learnt from that.

 

[barbernator]

Why? Did I use that in a post somewhere?

no, you agreed that almost all people who are exceptionally smart have no social skills. I want to know how you define exceptionally smart in this case.

 

[asadass]

Does this theory also work in reverse? Are people who get lower atars more sociable?

 

[asadass]

Just because people focus in terms of their academic life, it doesn't mean that they have to disregard all other aspects of their lives.

 

[deswa1]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether Aaron6693 got an ATAR of 92, 94, 96 or 97 or something else as he got into the university course that he wanted to get into which is all that matters. As soon as you do that, your ATAR is not relevant anymore and if you ask anyone in uni what ATAR they got or you tell them, then they will think you are a massive douchebag.

Actually it matters very, very much. Not because of the actual ATAR- I don't care what others get as long as they do their best because everyone has different levels of natural ability etc. At the end of the day, if you reach your potential, that's all you can do and you should be proud. The reason why it matters is because he has lied about it multiple times which tells me he is either one of a few things:

1) He is insecure about himself and his ATAR -> would not want to hire
2) He just lies -> Would not want to higher

Basically, the crux is that yes, a person who is well rounded WILL get hired over a basement. My dad has interviewed hundreds of people and yes, they definitely won't hire those who can't connect with people etc. BUT, you can't just say that high ATAR=basement/no social life. I know people who are expecting 99.7+ ATAR's and have very well developed social lives, sporting commitments etc.

And Solo- I'm noticing a lot of jealousy in your posts...

I absolutely agree with you on this 100%. What I dont understand however is how you'd associate someone leaving early in an exam, given that they've tried their hardest, to 'floating through life'...if thats what you're saying.

I would definitely associate leaving an exam with 1.5 hours to go as "not trying your best". Firstly, you shouldn't even be able to finish a HSC bio exam in 1.5 hours but even assuming you did, I guarantee you in 1.5 hours you could have found things to improve -> check MC, draw diagrams, check expression, clarify stuff etc.

 

[Aaron6693]

Does this theory also work in reverse? Are people who get lower atars more sociable?

Interesting point actually. There's probably cases for this as well, just like there are for those who get higher ATAR's.

I guess someone could make the argument that those who get lower ATAR's tend to be those that aren't all too interested in school, and therefore only go out etc. And that would be classed as being more sociable I think. It all depends on how you look at it I guess.

 

[LifeBoats]

Perhaps you are one of the exceptions to the rule, but from what I have seen a lot of people do focus only on their academic goals and nothing else. Those are the people who often struggle to find a job after doing their bachelors, hence do a masters degree, then struggle even further as they are now overqualified with no work experience.

But that is the exception to the rule. I know there are people like that; but far more have attained brilliant jobs. And for a moment, do you not think that these 'academic goals' allow them to have some sort of self-fulfillment that maybe you acquire elsewhere? There is nothing wrong with placing an emphasis on it, even if it is at the expense of anything else because that's what they want even if it may not be what you do.

 

[soloooooo]

And Solo- I'm noticing a lot of jealousy in your posts...

Jealousy of what?

ATAR? I was very happy with the high school leaving marks I received.

 

[asadass]

What atar/uai did you get, Solo? (don't think of me as a massive douchebag pls)