If you will be eligible to vote, who do you intend to vote for? (4 Viewers)

[na110793]

Well I might think that except I don't hate women.

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

 

[Annihilist]

get over it.

Why? I support people's right to make choices for themselves, and you support the government's right to make choices for people. You have no right to decide what people can or cannot do with/for/to themselves.

Get over it.

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

I think you are forgetting the countless different possible circumstances which could warrant such actions. As I said, you have no right to make decisions for other people for precisely this reason - you have no idea what is going on in other people's lives, and therefore you have no way of knowing what is best for them.

 

[Azure]

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

What happens if the contraception fails (seeing as it isn't 100% effective)?

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with you, but you're over simplifying your argument.

 

[Annihilist]

What happens if the contraception fails (seeing as it isn't 100% effective)?

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with you, but you're over simplifying your argument.

Exactly

 

[Lolsmith]

Why? I support people's right to make choices for themselves, and you support the government's right to make choices for people.

These things are almost mutually exclusive terms

I can't actually think of an example where they aren't so I'm just covering my ass here

 

[Lolsmith]

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

Why the fuck does a woman have to tell a dude to wear a condom?????

Why do men not have any sort of personal responsibility in a sexual relationship?

You really *do* hate women don't you?

 

[Annihilist]

These things are almost mutually exclusive terms

Pretty much.

 

[Riproot]

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

pregnancy complications that put the mother's life at risk.

 

[Lentern]

Why the fuck does a woman have to tell a dude to wear a condom?????

Why do men not have any sort of personal responsibility in a sexual relationship?

You really *do* hate women don't you?

Are we actually being sexist by mocking elements of feminism like this?

 

[na110793]

Why? I support people's right to make choices for themselves, and you support the government's right to make choices for people. You have no right to decide what people can or cannot do with/for/to themselves.

Get over it.

I think you are forgetting the countless different possible circumstances which could warrant such actions. As I said, you have no right to make decisions for other people for precisely this reason - you have no idea what is going on in other people's lives, and therefore you have no way of knowing what is best for them.

please - create a situation in which the female would forget that she is pregnant for 9 months.

 

[boris]

Why the fuck does a woman have to tell a dude to wear a condom?????

Why do men not have any sort of personal responsibility in a sexual relationship?

You really *do* hate women don't you?

well its not the worst thing he has ever said
as far as personal responsibility goes, if she doesnt want a baby it is up to her to ensure he wears a condom
and if he doesnt want a baby then it is up to him to ensure he wears one (as the pill isnt 100% effective)
but what if he does want one and therefore doesnt wear a condom but the woman doesnt want one but doesnt voice her concerns in regards to his lack of condom?

 

[na110793]

pregnancy complications that put the mother's life at risk.

Different situation. But still, such complications would surely arise before 9months?

 

[Lentern]

well its not the worst thing he has ever said
as far as personal responsibility goes, if she doesnt want a baby it is up to her to ensure he wears a condom
and if he doesnt want a baby then it is up to him to ensure he wears one (as the pill isnt 100% effective)
but what if he does want one and therefore doesnt wear a condom but the woman doesnt want one but doesnt voice her concerns in regards to his lack of condom?

Quiet Boris.

 

[Absolutezero]

please - create a situation in which the female would forget that she is pregnant for 9 months.

Numerous reports have come in of this happening in the past. Particularly if its an inactive fetus, but also to due with denialism (such as after rape) or a misreading of signals (such as blood caused by pregnancy mistaken for the period).

http://everything2.com/title/Women+who+don%27t+realize+they%27re+pregnant+until+they+give+birth

 

[Lolsmith]

Pretty much.

Oh I thought you wrote "I support people's personal decisions and the government to make decisions for them"

 

[na110793]

What happens if the contraception fails (seeing as it isn't 100% effective)?

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with you, but you're over simplifying your argument.

How can you possibly use that argument? When contraception fails, you find out. There are pregnancy tests. She misses her period. All before the 9 months.

imo nothing can possibly warrant a woman requiring a late term abortion. not even rape. rape least of all in fact.

 

[na110793]

Numerous reports have come in of this happening in the past. Particularly if its an inactive fetus, but also to due with denialism (such as after rape) or a misreading of signals (such as blood caused by pregnancy mistaken for the period).

http://everything2.com/title/Women+who+don%27t+realize+they%27re+pregnant+until+they+give+birth

clutching at straws

1 in a blue moon situation.

 

[Atar Hater]

Quiet Boris.

I swear i thought you were against pro-choice for some reason.

 

[Annihilist]

Neither do I. But if a stupid woman forgets to go on the pill, forgets to tell her sexual partner to use a condom (or 4), proceeds to become pregnant and forgets/doesn't give a shit about it for 9 months, she shouldn't be allowed to abort a near-fully formed foetus.

I have a question for you on this subject:

Let's say a woman is pregnant and she doesn't want the child. But she can't get an abortion for one reason or another (too expensive, religious reasons, social reasons, legality etc.). So she is forced to raise this child, this unwanted accidental child. How do you think this child is going to feel growing up? Do you think he/she will be loved? Not always. It's possible, but it's unlikely, because the mother wanted to abort. Now is that fair for this child? And don't say "adoption" because orphanages are overcrowded enough as it is and as a result the conditions are often quite poor and children are not raised in proper loving circumstances they deserve.

Another point is overpopulation. We are expected to have 10 billion people on this planet by I think it was 2015 but I'm not sure. How are we going to deal with that and how are we going to slow down this growth? We can't murder people on the street - but if we make abortion easy and cheap to get we can a) contribute to population decay and b) conduct a lot of stem cell research to help people WHO ARE GROWN ADULTS, NOT FOETUSES, who are dying from currently incurable diseases and medical conditions.

I would like to refer you to this video for a more educated argument for my position.

 

[Absolutezero]

clutching at straws

1 in a blue moon situation.

Oh, I get it. So because it's a rare circumstance, that means they shouldn't have any rights.