= firsts (Good god) (1 Viewer)

[themanman]

alright this is bullshit

what if this happens (which is most likely to occur)

Highest external: 97

2nd highest: 88 - 90

are they seriously going to average those out for the internals? thats absolutely ridiculous

would the highest be considered an outlier?

 

[asianese]

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Do you mean if two people are tied first and then their ranks are sent in as tied first but in the external, 1 gets 97 and the other gets 90ish?

If so, yes, they average it. But that result is unlikely as the end of year ranks are a pretty good gauge anyway.

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

Do you mean if two people are tied first and then their ranks are sent in as tied first but in the external, 1 gets 97 and the other gets 90ish?

If so, yes, they average it. But that result is unlikely as the end of year ranks are a pretty good gauge anyway.

yes

and no it is actually very likely... teachers poor judgement at putting him anywhere near 1st. being oblivious to the hsc questions he is going to mess up big time

if they still average regardless, its going to be a very sad day for me

 

[Joy_2575]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

alright this is bullshit

what if this happens (which is most likely to occur)

Highest external: 97

2nd highest: 88 - 90

are they seriously going to average those out? thats absolutely ridiculous

would the highest be considered an outlier?

That definitely looks like an outlier.. it would be only sensible for the board of studies to remove that result, because it doesn't seem too fair, by the person who scored 97.

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

That definitely looks like an outlier.. it would be only sensible for the board of studies to remove that result, because it doesn't seem too fair, by the person who scored 97.

thats what im hoping for

any confirmation on whether this is a rule for the BOS

 

[ReneeApple]

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I think you get to keep your external result, but they will average out your moderated internal assessment mark

 

[ThandraCityRail]

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nah this happened to me and did some research on it...

apparently, the 50% of your internal mark is split into two; his mark + your mark/2

so eg he gets 90% you get 97% your internal mark would become 90+97/2 = 93.5 = 94

however your external mark would become 97

so overall, 97+94/2 = 96

it doesn't have TOO much of an impact but nonetheless it's there

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

I think you get to keep your external result, but they will average out your moderated internal assessment mark

thats what im not hoping for

but yea im talking about in relation to internals
everyone gets to keep their externals

 

[ReneeApple]

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teachers poor judgement at putting him anywhere near 1st

How did the teachers put him at first? Do you mean the teachers choose the ranks instead of your individually achieved marks?

 

[themanman]

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How did the teachers put him at first? Do you mean the teachers choose the ranks instead of your individually achieved marks?

its a long story but they fucked up his marks and put him 1st
they asked him to bring in his papers in which he 'lost them'

so im getting fucked over now

 

[ThandraCityRail]

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"Note that if a school submits assessment marks with two (or more) students tied on the top assessment mark, then the top moderated assessment mark is equal to the mean of the top two (or more) examination marks. This is also the case if students are tied on the bottom assessment mark. Please also note that the standard deviation is never used to moderate school assessment marks."

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/hsc-results/moderation.html

 

[themanman]

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"Note that if a school submits assessment marks with two (or more) students tied on the top assessment mark, then the top moderated assessment mark is equal to the mean of the top two (or more) examination marks. This is also the case if students are tied on the bottom assessment mark. Please also note that the standard deviation is never used to moderate school assessment marks."

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/hsc-results/moderation.html

so outliers dont count?

 

[ThandraCityRail]

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so outliers dont count?

what? no

if your equal first internally then your internal mark is averaged with the other person your external mark stays the same

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

what? no

if your equal first internally then your internal mark is averaged with the other person your external mark stays the same

oh
i thought that they factor in outlier external results when moderating the internals (even in relation to =1sts)

is this not the case?

 

[ReneeApple]

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its a long story but they fucked up his marks and put him 1st
they asked him to bring in his papers in which he 'lost them'

so im getting fucked over now

Ouch D:

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

tell me about it

is there anything i can do about this issue x(

 

[Joy_2575]

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thats what im hoping for

any confirmation on whether this is a rule for the BOS

the board of studies states that they average the two highest external marks. but I' pretty sure they are open to the fact there can be a gap between ( a massive one like in the 97/88-90 example) and that to me looks like an outlier..the only way to confirm this is actually write to the BOS and ask them. I truly feel sorry for you, because it shouldn't work like that if you are topping the course.

 

[Gigacube]

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tell me about it

is there anything i can do about this issue x(

Have you talked to the head of the subject or year advisor or deputy about this issue?

 

[themanman]

Re: = Fuckin firsts (Good god)

the board of studies states that they average the two highest external marks. but I' pretty sure they are open to the fact there can be a gap between ( a massive one like in the 97/88-90 example) and that to me looks like an outlier..the only way to confirm this is actually write to the BOS and ask them. I truly feel sorry for you, because it shouldn't work like that if you are topping the course.

Thanks for the info!

I know ive been upset about it heaps and the teachers are having a go at me for challenging them..

teachers are fucked up people (not all but most)

drive me insane

 

[enoilgam]

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I think (Ive heard this before not sure on its accuracy) that BOS factors huge discrepencies in ranks and marks into the moderation process. Again, this is only something I've heard floating around (maybe shadowdude could give us more information, he knows quite a bit on this topic).