Teachers on Strike (2 Viewers)

[Azure]

I still don't get it. People want more efficient services and when a state government has the balls to actually try and achieve this people take to the streets and basically go ape shit. As has already been stated numerous times, voluntary redundancies in regards to middle management positions were a long time coming.

You can't have it both ways. Either the affairs of NSW are cleaned up in a painful and gradual process or we can continue spiralling into nothingness.

 

[katie tully]

Same spastics who cry when there aren't enough hospital beds, or there isn't enough money to upgrade services, or schools can't afford to buy shit.

The money has to come from somewhere. The public sector has enjoyed many years of above average wage increases, and something had to give. It's simple; the wages will not increase by more than 2.5% unless money can be saved in other areas. You leftist hacks can thank the previous 10+ years of Labor incompetency for this

 

[clementc]

But you can't just scrap away the entire middle management and not expect there to be ramifications. These are the people who work behind the scenes so that everything runs smoothly and the frontline can do their job. Though there may inevitably be some fat people who have it easy and sit at a computer with cash rolling it, the majority of them are those who have to manage the stacks of paperwork, and it also includes ambulance paramedics/transport workers who I think should really be considered as on the frontline. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...e-action-against-nsw-govt-20110908-1jyfi.html

One of the nurses today from RPA mentioned also that of the 450 cleaners only 180 are left. I think that's really quite a significant reduction, and if you consider that it's highly unlikely that the cleaners sat around with nothing to do, then these 180 must be working their butts off now to stay in their job.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...parliament-house/story-e6freuzi-1226131761724

Also a good point made by the federation:
Will the 5000 job losses be treated as true 'voluntary' redundancies or will these workers be put on the excess employees list and given no option but to leave the public sector?

 

[clementc]

Okay lol time to go to sleep. We shall continue this tomorrow =P

 

[Azure]

But you can't just scrap away the entire middle management and not expect there to be ramifications. These are the people who work behind the scenes so that everything runs smoothly and the frontline can do their job. Though there may inevitably be some fat people who have it easy and sit at a computer with cash rolling it, the majority of them are those who have to manage the stacks of paperwork, and it also includes ambulance paramedics/transport workers who I think should really be considered as on the frontline.

One of the nurses today from RPA mentioned also that of the 450 cleaners only 180 are left. I think that's really quite a significant reduction, and if you consider that it's highly unlikely that the cleaners sat around with nothing to do, then these 180 must be working their butts off now to stay in their job.

Also a good point made by the federation:
Will the 5000 job losses be treated as true 'voluntary' redundancies or will these workers be put on the excess employees list and given no option but to leave the public sector?

The entire middle management isn't being scrapped.

 

[katie tully]

But you can't just scrap away the entire middle management and not expect there to be ramifications. These are the people who work behind the scenes so that everything runs smoothly and the frontline can do their job. Though there may inevitably be some fat people who have it easy and sit at a computer with cash rolling it, the majority of them are those who have to manage the stacks of paperwork, and it also includes ambulance paramedics/transport workers who I think should really be considered as on the frontline.

One of the nurses today from RPA mentioned also that of the 450 cleaners only 180 are left. I think that's really quite a significant reduction, and if you consider that it's highly unlikely that the cleaners sat around with nothing to do, then these 180 must be working their butts off now to stay in their job.

Also a good point made by the federation:
Will the 5000 job losses be treated as true 'voluntary' redundancies or will these workers be put on the excess employees list and given no option but to leave the public sector?

plz go and actually find out what you're talking about and then come back


gosh

 

[zombie omie jay]

Cutting the wage increase to 2.5% pa at most, when inflation is at 3.6% means an effective cut in their pay.
And these nurses have had their jobs cut.

we should definitely keep all wage increases in line or above inflation forever hey
no
matter
what

 

[zombie omie jay]

I reckon teachers should have their income tied to performance/productivity some how ....

true they get a hell heap of benefits and paid well in comparison to other sectors. Plus they get pretty descent hours, it just doesn't make sense how they rant on supplementary roles such as marking exam papers/hw/preparing lessons. I don't see how its such a complex process =.=...

yeah thats been discussed i think

there are problems though, like having shit students means you will get shit pay

or teachers rigging the results to get their students higher marks on internals etc idk

 

[zombie omie jay]

Yeah mate they are voluntary redundancies and only concern middle management. The current situation is that public departments are unnecessarily top heavy with a random assortment of middle management tiers that achieve nothing. These redundancies do not affect frontline staff such as nurses on the wards, but fat cats sitting in middle management pulling 100k + salaries. The current climate is a bureaucratic nightmare full of inefficiency. Scrap the middle management, make more places for front line staff. It's simple.

lol mum guna lose her jerb

 

[Lentern]

Also they whinge about their workload, but technically if you even it out theyre still only working the same amount of hours as everybody else who works an 8 hour day with only 4 weeks annual leave. And this is really only of those rare hardcore teachers that actually do shit out of school.

Like say they get to school at 8am and school finishes at 3-3:30 but they stay back until idk, 4:30-5:00pm, then theyre still only working an average day and I think the 12 fricken weeks of holidays more than makes up for this.

Teachers are people who never grew up enough to leave school, and is why they will continue to whinge about *everything* forever.

Naive bitch

 

[cosmo kramer]

both my parents are teachers

they're pretty cynical about teaching and students in general also my dad is a race realist who went to amren with me

and yeah teaching as a profession is 1000x easier than most professions dont let people tell you otherwise

the reason my mum went into it is because she doesnt like professions with too much stress

 

[zombie omie jay]

my gal pal is a teachers aide studying to be a teacher
she said she cant fathom doing a different career, this one is just tooo good

 

[Lentern]

both my parents are teachers

they're pretty cynical about teaching and students in general also my dad is a race realist who went to amren with me

and yeah teaching as a profession is 1000x easier than most professions dont let people tell you otherwise

the reason my mum went into it is because she doesnt like professions with too much stress

Rubbish, both mine are teachers, mum used to be a chef from which I have some vague memories of her occasionally working less than 50 hours a week. Since swapping professions that's been a laughable, pie in the sky concept and for Dad who heads a department its virtually never happened. When he was an HSC marker a few years back it was not unusual for me to see him for a week because he was't getting home till 10:30-11 most nights. School holidays time sees them planted in the dining room or the study surrounded by lesson plans and marking for most of the daylight hours, half the time they go in to work to do it so that me and my sisters didn't bother them.

No doubt there are some lazy teachers out there as there is in any profession but no semi-competent one is going to be working less than fifty hours a week at any given time.

 

[zombie omie jay]

lenterns parents

the only hard working teachers in the state: fact

 

[zombie omie jay]

Rubbish, both mine are teachers, mum used to be a chef from which I have some vague memories of her occasionally working less than 50 hours a week. Since swapping professions that's been a laughable, pie in the sky concept and for Dad who heads a department its virtually never happened. When he was an HSC marker a few years back it was not unusual for me to see him for a week because he was't getting home till 10:30-11 most nights. School holidays time sees them planted in the dining room or the study surrounded by lesson plans and marking for most of the daylight hours, half the time they go in to work to do it so that me and my sisters didn't bother them.

No doubt there are some lazy teachers out there as there is in any profession but no semi-competent one is going to be working less than fifty hours a week at any given time.

increase all wages for all sectors based on them having to not being able to finish all their work during work hours

m8 engineers are underpaid we work 80hr weeks ok

 

[Lentern]

lenterns parents

the only hard working teachers in the state: fact

You wouldn't last a month.

 

[Lentern]

increase all wages for all sectors based on them having to not being able to finish all their work during work hours

m8 engineers are underpaid we work 80hr weeks ok

You are not and you do not

 

[SylviaB]

ugh don't you understand those jobs needed to be cut so gillard can spend the money on the NBN so we can get high speed HD pterodactyl porn

 

[zombie omie jay]

have you ever considered
that your parents are not very smart
and it takes them so much longer than everyone else to do their work
because they are
not very smart
something to consider

 

[annagurl]

both my parents are teachers

they're pretty cynical about teaching and students in general also my dad is a race realist who went to amren with me

and yeah teaching as a profession is 1000x easier than most professions dont let people tell you otherwise

the reason my mum went into it is because she doesnt like professions with too much stress

are you gonna be a teacher too?