Carbon Tax (2 Viewers)

[mirakon]

dem taxes be da shizzle

 

[Lentern]

ill fucken murder you m8

You'll try but you'll never succeed thanks to our lovely police force.

 

[Lolsmith]

You'll try but you'll never succeed thanks to our lovely police force.

No he'll succeed in killing you and then the police will find out who did it because they don't protect they investigate

 

[Chemical Ali]

In terms of both costs and benefits the opposition's direct action plan is worse than a market based mechanism

Therefore someone against a carbon price would do best to vote Labor. Discuss.

 

[Blastus]

In terms of both costs and benefits the opposition's direct action plan is worse than a market based mechanism

Therefore someone against a carbon price would do best to vote Labor. Discuss.

Someone against anything labor is for would do best to vote labor because they couldn't direct a stream of piss

 

[scuba_steve2121]

why stop at taxing carbon? why not tax water vapour? you know a green house gas that actually has noticeable effects on the climate. WE GOT TO STOP EVAPORATION ITS WARMING THE CLIMATE GUYS!!!!!

 

[Optimus Prime]

Assuming that something is going to be done about climate change then a carbon tax is the best way. Fuck off direct action. Fuck off "emissions trading scheme." ETS is more accurately a scheme in which more wealth is transferred to banks. If we agree there are negative externalities associated with carbon then there is nothing wrong with taxing it while still having a free market. Unfortunately the way they are spending the money seems like it will be more socialist wealth redistribution.

 

[Chemical Ali]

which aspects do you think are socialist?

one of the suggestions from Garnaut was raising the tax free income threshold to $25k, I'd be more than ok with that

 

[Rafy]

The debate has been about whether we should take action on climate change. This completely ignores that even if we wanted to take action, we actually can't. Australia does not have the ability to stop climate change. The government's carbon tax will not stop it, or even reduce it. Nor will the direct action plan.

Hearing some of the comment from people in favour of the tax you'd think the introduction of this tax will solve the climate change problem. Well it won't. Is climate change happening? Probably, but there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

This tax does not represent 'real action' at all. It's simply designed so the government looks like it's doing something. Without the big emitters acting also, it will just likely mean worse environmental outcomes as our emissions are exported to countries with lower environmental standards.

A policy that cannot even achieve its policy goal (reducing man made climate change) should be rejected.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yes Garnaut's suggestion is great as lowering the tax free threshold is fair and also has greatest impact for those on lower incomes (since they need to spend a larger percentage of their income on basic living expenses) while also benefiting those on higher incomes. Unfortunately that is Garnaut's report and not the ALP policy. Instead they will probably introduce more retarded middle-class welfare or rebate people in such a way that it doesn't actually deter them from wasting energy.

Rafy: if the money is spent such that Australia could develop and manufacture new technology it would be of benefit for everyone. Of course Australia can't singlehandedly reduce global emissions, but most other developed economies, and even China and India already have a price on CO2 emissions. The policy goal isn't to reduce man made climate change, it is to reduce emissions and move away from a reliance on fossil fuels.

 

[Rafy]

The policy goal isn't to reduce man made climate change, it is to reduce emissions and move away from a reliance on fossil fuels.

That's an extraordinary claim that's just moving the goal posts as it becomes clear the carbon tax won't actually do anything to stop climate change. The ultimate policy goal of pricing carbon has always been to mitigate human induced climate change. Emissions reduction is simply the means to that end. (But as I note above it's not an effective means at all.)

"We are fighting to price carbon to tackle climate change" - Gillard. There's hundreds more quotes like that from all members of the government, climate reports etc.
The tax is being designed by the Multi-Party Climate Change Committee. It will be administered by the Department of Climate Change.

 

[Jimmy Recard]

$25k tax free threshold

would be

delightful

 

[Lentern]

The debate has been about whether we should take action on climate change. This completely ignores that even if we wanted to take action, we actually can't. Australia does not have the ability to stop climate change. The government's carbon tax will not stop it, or even reduce it. Nor will the direct action plan.

Hearing some of the comment from people in favour of the tax you'd think the introduction of this tax will solve the climate change problem. Well it won't. Is climate change happening? Probably, but there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

This tax does not represent 'real action' at all. It's simply designed so the government looks like it's doing something. Without the big emitters acting also, it will just likely mean worse environmental outcomes as our emissions are exported to countries with lower environmental standards.

A policy that cannot even achieve its policy goal (reducing man made climate change) should be rejected.

Oh Rafy, really? Per capita we're emitting at any obscene level , you can't possibly talk about developing countries needing to cut down first and more substantially.

 

[SnowFox]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8259023

 

[Blastus]

Oh Rafy, really? Per capita we're emitting at any obscene level , you can't possibly talk about developing countries needing to cut down first and more substantially.

The biggest changes that need to happen are allowing for people to move freely between countries, imo. The infrastructure and output of many developing countries is far less efficient and far more polluting compared to our stuff. Etc.

*pushes the barrow*

 

[Blastus]

What's the cost of setting up a nuclear industry in Australia versus setting up solar w/ water storage or hot rock geothermal + distribution?

Or is that a thesis topic in and of itself.

 

[Jimmy Recard]

what is wrong

with making a percentage of the power for new building developments to be sourced from solar?

 

[Rafy]

Carbon price to be announced on Sunday (ABC News)

An announcement about an announcement

 

[Jimmy Recard]

The policy goal isn't to reduce man made climate change, it is to reduce emissions and move away from a reliance on fossil fuels.

yes not taxing fuel will certainly do this


this it starting to seem like a retribution tax against the miners

 

[SylviaB]

this is why I keep saying the mining industry is the heroic idustry of patriots
the mining industry will bear the brunt of the rise of socialist eco-facism in australia and will hence be fighting on the front line for freedom and prosperity