To those interested: Global and Australian Wikileak Protests are occuring soon. (1 Viewer)

[S4Saustralia]

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Australia

Adelaide: Saturday, January 15 · 1:00pm – 3:00pm
Location: Victoria Sqaure, Adelaide, Australia
Event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=153885131325141


Hobart: Saturday, January 15, TBA
Location: Information Day, at Franklin Square and surrounds


Sydney: Saturday, January 15, 1pm
Location: Sydney Town Hall
Contact: Patrick on 0422 028 113
Event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=163029660407190


Launceston: Saturday, January 29, TBA
Location: To be announced

 

[cosmo kramer]

i bet like 4 people will show up

you'll like like a retard (even more so)

 

[S4Saustralia]

i bet like 4 people will show up

FB says 396 confirmed to attend and 275 maybes (Sydney)...and the protest in December had a pretty good turnout.

you'll like like a retard (even more so)

Look* (ironic)

 

[cosmo kramer]

i dont actually care about the wikileaks fag

he hasnt leaked anything remotely interesting

all of it has been shit everybody with half a brain would have guessed our govt was already saying anyway

our governments are hilarious pussies for not dealing with him swiftly

imagine if he tried leaking shit from the russian government

he'd end up in a finnish hospital with a mysterious case of polonium poisoning in about twenty four hours

do not fuck with

 

[S4Saustralia]

i dont actually care about the wikileaks fag

he hasnt leaked anything remotely interesting

Here's a short list of interesting leaks

• the U.S. military formally adopted a policy of turning a blind eye to systematic, pervasive torture and other abuses by Iraqi forces;
• the State Department threatened Germany not to criminally investigate the CIA's kidnapping of one of its citizens who turned out to be completely innocent; http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html
• the State Department under Bush and Obama applied continuous pressure on the Spanish Government to suppress investigations of the CIA's torture of its citizens and the 2003 killing of a Spanish photojournalist when the U.S. military fired on the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad
• the British Government privately promised to shield Bush officials from embarrassment as part of its Iraq War "investigation";
• there were at least 15,000 people killed in Iraq that were previously uncounted;
• "American leaders lied, knowingly, to the American public, to American troops, and to the world" about the Iraq war as it was prosecuted, a conclusion the Post's own former Baghdad Bureau Chief wrote was proven by the WikiLeaks documents;
• the U.S.'s own Ambassador concluded that the July, 2009 removal of the Honduran President was illegal -- a coup -- but the State Department did not want to conclude that and thus ignored it until it was too late to matter; http://www.laprensa.hn/var/laprensa...lication/101a6e69faa6b912bf064dc745cfe2ab.pdf
• U.S. and British officials colluded to allow the U.S. to keep cluster bombs on British soil even though Britain had signed the treaty banning such weapons,
• Hillary Clinton's State Department ordered diplomats to collect passwords, emails, and biometric data on U.N. and other foreign officials, almost certainly in violation of the Vienna Treaty of 1961.
• U.S. Tax Dollars Fund Child Sex Slavery in Afghanistan
• Shell Oil has infiltrated every ministry of the Nigerian Government with politicians on their payroll

In fact, Wikileaks has displayed itself as a revolutionary aspect to global journalism and democratic rights...Perhaps you only think that nothing has been revealed due to your lack of interest, in which case, there's no point trying to convince you...your mind is made up.

imagine if he tried leaking shit from the russian government

If we were living during the cold war, you would be right.

In fact, Putin has commented that Assange's detention is "undemocratic"

"Why was Mr Assange hidden in jail? Is that democracy? As we say in the village: the pot is calling the kettle black," Mr Putin said.
"I want to send the ball back to our American colleagues."


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...port-for-assange/story-fn775xjq-1225968781585


You are entitled to your opinion, but I really stress that you should not classify something as 'uninteresting' just because you haven't looked into it. Also, putting your views into into another person (which you did with Putin), is pretty dangerous and deceptive. Lastly, Assange is advocating freedom of the press...How can you oppose that?

 

[cosmo kramer]

In fact, Putin has commented that Assange's detention is "undemocratic"

Are you actually this stupid? Putin coming out and saying that was a political move and an attempt to jibe the Americans, nothing more. Putin is frequently accused of being undemocratic because his tactics essentially are. He is something of a soft dictator. He is just attempting to stir the pot here.

Lastly, Assange is advocating freedom of the press...How can you oppose that?

I am a strong proponent of censorship. I think many will already agree with me that threats to incite violence or disturb public order, sensitive national security information, technological secrets, misleading or fraudulent speech, commercial speech, slander and defamation, and obscenity should be subject to censorship.

I would like to see much more expansive regulation of commercial speech and obscenity. Advertising should be held to objective standards and require scientific claims, and it should be much less pervasive than it is now.

I also support censoring political speech. I think that academic debate should be relatively free (though I do support purging the academy of traitors), but that news media should be censored. The media should be held to objective standards and be penalized for misleading people (conversely they should also be penalized for failing to keep people informed--which would be misleading by omission), and there should also be restrictive political censorship to prevent the media from spreading liberalism and undermining morale.

Liberalism, cosmopolitanism, anti-racism, feminism, Third Worldism, and other culturally Marxist doctrines should be considered sedition.

I never actually said I disagreed with Assange or 'oppose' him or whatever you are attempting to attach to me. The fact that he is seriously working to undermine and disrupt the current establishment is a positive thing (but not for the idiot reasons that you would probably think), but I am still more or less indifferent to him and his actions. None of the leaks you listed there are of any interest to me in the slightest.

 

[SylviaB]

Julian assange is a hero but cunts like you are the fucking worst

You claim to support "free speech" and then clamour for all types of restrictions on speech, dirty fucking socialist hypocrites

 

[S4Saustralia]

Are you actually this stupid? Putin coming out and saying that was a political move and an attempt to jibe the Americans, nothing more. Putin is frequently accused of being undemocratic because his tactics essentially are. He is something of a soft dictator. He is just attempting to stir the pot here.

This is news to me...Could you supply sources to his 'dictatorship' or how you know he is trying to 'stir the pot'?

I am a strong proponent of censorship.

I would like to see much more expansive regulation of commercial speech and obscenity. Advertising should be held to objective standards and require scientific claims, and it should be much less pervasive than it is now.

I also support censoring political speech. I think that academic debate should be relatively free (though I do support purging the academy of traitors), but that news media should be censored. The media should be held to objective standards and be penalized for misleading people (conversely they should also be penalized for failing to keep people informed--which would be misleading by omission), and there should also be restrictive political censorship to prevent the media from spreading liberalism and undermining morale.

Liberalism, cosmopolitanism, anti-racism, feminism, Third Worldism, and other culturally Marxist doctrines should be considered sedition.

I never actually said I disagreed with Assange or 'oppose' him or whatever you are attempting to attach to me. The fact that he is seriously working to undermine and disrupt the current establishment is a positive thing (but not for the idiot reasons that you would probably think), but I am still more or less indifferent to him and his actions. None of the leaks you listed there are of any interest to me in the slightest.

I disagree with your views of censorship and believe that you contradict yourself...(You support censorship, but are against media sensationalism, which is really a form of censorship).

I'm not completely sure that you are not trolling, so I wont go into a long rant of my opposition...but I respect your views.

 

[S4Saustralia]

Julian assange is a hero but cunts like you are the fucking worst

You claim to support "free speech" and then clamour for all types of restrictions on speech, dirty fucking socialist hypocrites

could you explain how I am supportive of restricting forms of speech? Are you referring to the ways USSR and other faux-Socialist nations operated? because that is not what I support, or believe to be true Democratic Socialism

 

[cosmo kramer]

This is news to me...Could you supply sources to his 'dictatorship'

Do your own homework. Do you actually need somebody to try to convince you that the Russian government is notably more authoritarian than those governments that are attempting to suppress Assange?

or how you know he is trying to 'stir the pot'?

This is called an inference.

I disagree with your views of censorship and believe that you contradict yourself...(You support censorship, but are against media sensationalism, which is really a form of censorship).

Ah, I see. So because I support censorship in some instances for some specific reasons, therefore I am in support of every manifestation of censorship everywhere regardless of its intention or type. This is an excellent deduction. I know we have come to expect this sort of shallow thinking from Greens' supporters but this is a bit much, don't you think?

I'm not completely sure that you are not trolling,

Why would I be trolling? Is there anything I have posted here that is incongruous with anything else I have written on this site?

could you explain how I am supportive of restricting forms of speech?

You missed his point. SylvesterBr is absolutely right. He may not be correct about you specifically but he is generalizing about left-leaning individuals who cloak themselves in some feigned concern for free speech and yet support restrictions on it at the same time. These mendacious little clowns are everywhere.

 

[S4Saustralia]

Do your own homework. Do you actually need somebody to try to convince you that the Russian government is notably more authoritarian than those governments that are attempting to suppress Assange?

The point is, I can't do the homework, because I am uncertain whether your claims exist...if you make a claim, be prepared to back it up with some evidence.

left-leaning individuals who cloak themselves in some feigned concern for free speech and yet support restrictions on it at the same time.

Could you also provide examples for this claim.

In my opinion, it feels as if you guys are being hostile against my opinions just because I dont dislike the greens as you do.

Anyway, lets not derail the thread, if any BOS members want to turn up to the protests, they can find the appropriate location and dates.

 

[cosmo kramer]

The point is, I can't do the homework, because I am uncertain whether your claims exist...if you make a claim, be prepared to back it up with some evidence.

The European Court of Human Rights has become overwhelmed with cases from Russia. As of June 1, 2007, 22.5% of its pending cases were directed against the Russian Federation.[6] In 2006 there were 151 admissible applications against Russia (out of 1634 for all the countries), while in 2005 - 110 (of 1036), in 2004 - 64 (of 830), in 2003 - 15 (of 753), in 2002 - 12 (of 578).[7][8][9]

Since 1992 at least 50 journalists have been killed across the country.[17]



Reporters without borders press freedom in 2009

Compare Western Europe with the Russian Federation. It is ranked as high as Libya!

Could you also provide examples for this claim.

SPLC, ADL, Liberal, Labour parties in the U.K, Canadian politics, etc. Canada is a particularly egregious example.

It is also the product of an observation. People may notice things and general trends regardless of whether they are able to produce specific examples when prompted.

 

[S4Saustralia]

Thank you for the information about Russia, it is definitely very interesting and something to be concerned about. Perhaps that is why Wikileaks and similar groups are important in revealing political corruption and human rights violations?

SPLC, ADL, Liberal, Labour parties in the U.K, Canadian politics, etc. Canada is a particularly egregious example.

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about UK or Canada politics to agree or disagree with you, however I dont think you should rely on them to make assumptions about people who have no relation.

It is also the product of an observation. People may notice things and general trends regardless of whether they are able to produce specific examples when prompted.

I guess that falls under stereotyping and if you judge the individual on their own actions rather than any past actions by other individuals, people might just get along.

 

[cosmo kramer]

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about UK or Canada politics to agree or disagree with you, however I dont think you should rely on them to make assumptions about people who have no relation.

I guess that falls under stereotyping and if you judge the individual on their own actions rather than any past actions by other individuals, people might just get along.

I myself was not stereotyping (not that there is anything wrong with doing so at all) but referring to specific individuals. There are many on the left as I described. Sylvester was stereotyping, but there is nothing necessarily wrong with stereotyping. Since presumably he is not intimately acquainted with yourself or your views, he took the knowledge that was available to him and fit it into the context of general knowledge about various groups, ie, stereotypes. It is unfortunate that the relentless campaign against stereotyping has succeeded to the extent that now many people exclude it from their mental tools of analysis, to the detriment of all. Stereotypes are a highly effective and useful analytical tool that certainly have their place.

 

[davidbarnes]

Are you actually this stupid? Putin coming out and saying that was a political move and an attempt to jibe the Americans, nothing more. Putin is frequently accused of being undemocratic because his tactics essentially are. He is something of a soft dictator. He is just attempting to stir the pot here.



I am a strong proponent of censorship. I think many will already agree with me that threats to incite violence or disturb public order, sensitive national security information, technological secrets, misleading or fraudulent speech, commercial speech, slander and defamation, and obscenity should be subject to censorship.

I would like to see much more expansive regulation of commercial speech and obscenity. Advertising should be held to objective standards and require scientific claims, and it should be much less pervasive than it is now.

I also support censoring political speech. I think that academic debate should be relatively free (though I do support purging the academy of traitors), but that news media should be censored. The media should be held to objective standards and be penalized for misleading people (conversely they should also be penalized for failing to keep people informed--which would be misleading by omission), and there should also be restrictive political censorship to prevent the media from spreading liberalism and undermining morale.

Liberalism, cosmopolitanism, anti-racism, feminism, Third Worldism, and other culturally Marxist doctrines should be considered sedition.

I never actually said I disagreed with Assange or 'oppose' him or whatever you are attempting to attach to me. The fact that he is seriously working to undermine and disrupt the current establishment is a positive thing (but not for the idiot reasons that you would probably think), but I am still more or less indifferent to him and his actions. None of the leaks you listed there are of any interest to me in the slightest.

You're an idiot.

 

[S4Saustralia]

You're an idiot.

I dont think idiot is a strong enough word.

I think he is a [Censored] who needs to [Censored], before sticking his [Censored] where it [Censored] [Censored] [Censored] belongs.

 

[Gallant_Gufeth]

what's wrong with what he posted?

 

[S4Saustralia]

what's wrong with what he posted?

He seriously underestimates the dangers of censorship. His post suggests that he does not understand the seriousness of it and that type of mentality can put us all at risk.

 

[Rothbard]

could you explain how I am supportive of restricting forms of speech? Are you referring to the ways USSR and other faux-Socialist nations operated? because that is not what I support, or believe to be true Democratic Socialism

Did you spend a lot of time around uranium rich water or solvents as a child?

 

[Rothbard]

I dont think idiot is a strong enough word.

I think he is a [Censored] who needs to [Censored], before sticking his [Censored] where it [Censored] [Censored] [Censored] belongs.

Trust a trot to fucking censor.