Where do you sit on the Political Compass? (1 Viewer)

[scuba_steve2121]

^ Because business has the best interests of society at heart and isn't just a medium allowing the rich to get richer, yo. When business gets their way, they get tax cuts and free reign to fuck up the planet.

mate the people that u say are being oppressed by Business are just as selfish and self interested. all the wonderful things in modern day western society that you take for granted, were invented by somebody who wanted to make money/ have power and get rich.

if everybody had none of those incentives society itself would just crumble

 

[TacoTerrorist]

Personal wealth is neither an ethically sound motivator nor the best motivator.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Personal wealth is neither an ethically sound good motivator nor the best motivator.

its the best motivator to do something productive.

studies in soviet Russia showed farmers that did collective farming produced less food and lesser quality than farms that produced for profit who even had a smaller farm, in similar climate and soils

Government have the interest of the people at heart. I'm yet to see a government invent something useful.

 

[ibbi00]

Will someone interpret this?

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Will someone interpret this?

you hate freedom and you want to heavily regulate business

 

[ibbi00]

you hate freedom and you want to heavily regulate business

Heavily regulate businesses, yes. But no, I don't hate freedom...

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Heavily regulate businesses, yes. But no, I don't hate freedom...

you're a Muslim you hate freedom. or perhaps you don't want anybody who is not a Muslim to have freedom.

mate graph doesn't lie XD

 

[ibbi00]

Mate, graph isn't even consitent. I took test twice and had two totally different positions, etc.
Either that or your interpretation is fail.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Mate graph isn't even consitent. I took test twice and had different positions, etc.

that's because you chose different answers once i caught you out for being a freedom hating Muslim. hook, line and sinker

 

[TacoTerrorist]

its the best motivator to do something productive.

studies in soviet Russia showed farmers that did collective farming produced less food and lesser quality than farms that produced for profit who even had a smaller farm, in similar climate and soils

'So after all, and contrary to common belief, money is not the prime motivator'. (Employee motivation. Motivation in the workplace- theory and practice)

There are numerous other studies which show that being appreciated and having an interest in your work are the best motivators. The guy that invented the Polio vaccine could have became filthy rich from the patent, but declined to patent the vaccine. It is true that money is a solid motivator in our current society, but I believe that this is because of the consumerist lifestyle imposed upon us, where you are judged based on your income. Despite this, many people choose rewarding careers, potentially sacrificing income for greater emotional reward: teachers, nurses, firemen etc.

Government have the interest of the people at heart. I'm yet to see a government invent something useful.

I think we can both disagree with the first part of this. Government is comprised of wealthy bureaucrats who represent the interests of the rich. Government has the interests of the nation's political power and wealth at heart, which is strikingly different from having the interests of its citizens at heart.

 

[ibbi00]

that's because you chose different answers once i caught you out for being a freedom hating Muslim. hook, line and sinker

Great logic you've got there goin'.

 

[SylviaB]

Not really. It means that individuals should be free to act as they please on a social level, but on an economic level some people in society need government assistance to have anything close to an equal go, and that we shouldn't just have a society where the rich continue to get hideously wealthy unhindered while the lower classes rot away into poverty.

WOW, you're a fucking moron.

It's the government that helps the super rich stay rich and get richer.

It's the government that causes our mixed economy, wherein a lack of a free makret results in inflation, higher prices of goods and services and a lack of jobs.

The government does NOT help the poor, they hurt them so badly, and until morons like you can realise they won't stop.

You're entitled to your opinions

Fuck you.

This is not, "our opinions are different but oh well"

Based on my opinion, you get left the fuck alone
Based on your opinion, which the majority of people hold, a huge vile gang of thugs get to have a nation-wide extortion racket that steals money from people at gunpoint and throws you in jail or shoots you if you don't comply

that it's an ideal world wherein the wealthy continue to get wealthy and maybe the poor might get by but it doesn't really matter and disguise this as some cry of "freedom", but to try to play off those who don't share your opinion and have a social conscience as being hypocritical and partial to extortion is sheer ignorance at best.

holy fuck you are stupid

the main reason i champion a stateless society is because it is undeniably in the best interests of collective utility

your precious government has spends billions each year "helping the poor" but they only ever make things worse

 

[scuba_steve2121]

'So after all, and contrary to common belief, money is not the prime motivator'. (Employee motivation. Motivation in the workplace- theory and practice)

There are numerous other studies which show that being appreciated and having an interest in your work are the best motivators. The guy that invented the Polio vaccine could have became filthy rich from the patent, but declined to patent the vaccine. It is true that money is a solid motivator in our current society, but I believe that this is because of the consumerist lifestyle imposed upon us, where you are judged based on your income. Despite this, many people choose rewarding careers, potentially sacrificing income for greater emotional reward: teachers, nurses, firemen etc.




I think we can both disagree with the first part of this. Government is comprised of wealthy bureaucrats who represent the interests of the rich. Government has the interests of the nation's political power and wealth at heart, which is strikingly different from having the interests of its citizens at heart.

imposed no, consumers have the ultimate power in what gets produced. ever heard of supply and demand?

money is the best motivator for jobs. why the fuck would people want to be bankers or lawyers. because you get a fuck load of money.

you work hard in the belief that you will be given a raise or promoted, which you guessed it means you get more fing money.

people don't do things for the greater good. they do it for money, power, respect and if you are a man, women.

also people choose those Careers because they weren't smart enough to be a doctor or lawyer. or its just what they wanted to do it, hence the beauty of capitalism if you work hard you can choose what job you want.

also another great motivator which unfortunately doesn't exist anymore since the creation of unfair dismissal laws. if you don't do your job properly and well you're fucking fired. great motivator

 

[scuba_steve2121]

Great logic you've got there goin'.

your fault for being the stupid Muslim.

ether admit you hate freedom or get out

 

[SylviaB]

^ Because business has the best interests of society at heart and isn't just a medium allowing the rich to get richer, yo.

Ugh. Free markets are in the interest of collective utility or "society".
Stop talking about intentions and start talking about consequences.

From Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell

When many African nations achieved independence in the 1960s, a famous bet was made between the president of Ghana and the president of the neighboring Ivory Coast as to which country would be more prosperous in the years ahead. At that time, Ghana was not only more prosperous than the Ivory Coast, it had more natural resources, so the bet might have seemed reckless on the part of the president of the Ivory Coast. However, he knew that Ghana was committed to a government-run economy and the Ivory Coast to a freer market. By 1982, the Ivory Coast had so surpassed Ghana that the poorest 20 percent of its people had a higher real income per capita than most of the people in Ghana.

This could not be attributed to any superiority of the country or its people.
In fact, in later years, when Ivory Coast politicians eventually succumbed to the temptation to have the government control more of their country's economy, while Ghana finally learned from its mistakes and began to loosen government controls, these two countries' roles reversed-and now Ghana's economy began to grow, while that of the Ivory Coast declined.
Similar comparisons could be made between Burma and Thailand, the former having had the higher standard of living before instituting socialism and the latter a much higher standard of living afterwards. Other Countries-India, Germany, China, New Zealand, South Korea, Sri Lanka-have experienced sharp upturns in their economies when they freed those economies from many government controls and relied more on prices to allocate resources. As of 1960, India and South Korea were at comparable economic levels but, by the late 1980s, South Korea's per capita income was ten times that in India.

India remained committed to a government-controlled economy for many years after achieving independence in 1947. However, in the 1990s, India "jettisoned four decades of economic isolation and planning, and freed the country's entrepreneurs for the first time since independence," in the words of the London magazine The Economist. There followed a new growth rate of 6 percent a year, making it "one of the world's fastest-growing big economies." In China, government controls were relaxed in particular economic sectors and in particular geographic regions during the reforms of the 1980s, leading to stunning economic contrasts within the same country, as well as rapid economic growth overall. Back in 1978, less than 10 percent of China's agricultural output was sold in open markets but, by 1990, 80 percent was. The net result was more food and a greater variety of food available to city dwellers in China and a rise in farmers' income by more than 50 percent within a few years. In contrast to China's severe economic problems when there was heavy-handed government control under Mao, who died in 1976, 'I the subsequent freeing up of prices in the marketplace led to an astonishing it economic growth rate of 9 percent per year between 1978 and 1995.

 

[ibbi00]

your fault for being the stupid Muslim.

ether admit you hate freedom or get out

How about no, or until you can support your interpretation of the graph.

 

[moll.]

Will someone interpret this?

You hate freedom and think that people should be told what to do, what to think and what to spend their money on.

 

[scuba_steve2121]

How about no, or until you can support your interpretation of the graph.

dude that is what the graph means. its as simple as 123

red area means you don't want people having freedom and you want to crush freedom of business, basically a socialist and not the hippie kind, more pol pot kind

 

[kaz1]

Heavily regulate businesses, yes. But no, I don't hate freedom...

If you're in the top half, you generally don't like individual freedom like being gay.

 

[ibbi00]

If you're in the top half, you generally don't like individual freedom like being gay.

Oh, about that........

dude the graph is terrible. sides the political compass in itself is such a bad way to measure political views

mate graph doesn't lie

Fail.