TacoTerrorist
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Wait so after the overthrow of a repressive economic system some people are going to just decide to band together and make their own little capitalist state? Who is going to voluntarily work for somebody else, under their authority? How would said employer get capital, which no longer exists, to build his business?scuba_steve2121 said:lol they would probs start there own little capitalist state.
This is hypocrisy. The decisions aren't being made for people, they're being made by people who live according to those small workplace related decisions. On the unlikely chance those people disagree on those decisions, they are free to join another syndicate. Violent revolution is the only way to eliminate the state. It isn't just going to hand over its power. It has to be killed, like a tumour.scuba_steve2121 said:no it isn't once you makes decisions for people regardless if a group of people want to adhere to it or not. you are oppressing there wishes not to. also violent revolution? fuck that's a little extreme
Then how are decisions made in 'Anarcho'-Capitalism? By a CEO who then enforces those decisions (most likely against the interests of the workers, as the interests of the ownership class and the workers directly oppose each other) to his underlings? Is that not tyranny?scuba_steve2121 said:you have created a system of oppression just like a state. democracy on every level is flawed
Not at all.scuba_steve2121 said:thus your system is no a true a system of anarchy and inherently infringes of personal liberties of others.
This is a common argument. Your basic assertion is that people are inherently greedy and will only ever do something for their own benefit - which is complete bullshit; a lie propagated by defenders of the profit motive. Hell, even if it were true, personal interest and the interest of one's community do not necessarily have to oppose one another.scuba_steve2121 said:also collectivism doesn't work. Human nature prevents it from working efficiently. in your system people would starve very quickly. also another thing what if one syndicalist wanted to take over and enforce their rules over another one. it would lead to war and further operssion as they might belive there syndaclist is better for the people in the other one.
In response to your second proposal, that some syndicate would somehow desire to enforce their, what? inter-workplace agreements on some other syndicate is ludicrous. A syndicate is nothing more than a workplace of some kind, like a factory, a school or the like. They work together to provide goods necessary for the development of humanity.
Collectivism works. It had to work for society to get where it is today. Capitalism has been around for what? 250 years? The Spanish Anarchists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936 are a prime example of syndicalism in action.
Yeah so there was a miscommunication between us. A syndicate is just a workplace which is controlled, owned and operated by its workers.scuba_steve2121 said:and again what if one syndalicst doesn't have th enecessary land to make a living for its population
A revolution is a process, not an event. Land will be taken by anyone who can put it to good use.scuba_steve2121 said:also who (if this revolution happens) decides how land is distrubuted?
it would lead to another state
You want to talk about the system you advocate then? Capitalism without the state to protect it would fall instantaneously. People don't like or want to work long hours for a master to produce goods they don't own or have a say about.scuba_steve2121 said:your system is flawed on so many levels