Does God exist? (14 Viewers)

[ClockworkSoldier]

cause we have the free will to do what we choose. making apart of the law isn't really "free-ing" is it. hence, the reason why God isn't hitting you with lightning is cause you have free will to do what ever you want to. just like your HSC, you could either study or not, in the end its up to you. there isn't a law to study hard and get a good ATAR, but you know that you have to study and when you don't you feel guilty for wasting your life.

isn't it in the 10 commandments that you shouldn't steal?
isn't theift against the law?
how about murdering? isn't that too against the law?

You're borrowing the arguments above lol.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

This is Gods world, but you could think of it as mankinds playground. Sure, he can involve himself in the affairs of his creations when he sees fit, but he gave us the free will to govern our actions in this life, its just we will always be accountable for our actions to Him.

Why didn't he see fit to involve himself in some of mankind's most heinous crimes? Rwanda genocide, hitler etc...

He does not have to explain His reasons to you or I however, and it is arrogant of you to think He doesn't have every right to do what He wants with your life. He is your creator, and mine, afterall.

Not that he is able to. The rest sounds too "arbitary" for a loving god if you ask me.

The Church is hardly God's fortress. God is a being who exists on a whole seperate plane of exitence that the universe we experiecne as reality. To God the Church's structure is just like that of every other building we humans erect.

Why are you given privy to where god exists?

As if the creator of the universe would fear a bullet..

Then why didn't god spare the boys life? Surely that's a crime is it not? God had every chance to remove that bullet from that boy's path and he did nothing.

There was very little "chance", once the bullet was fired, it came down to pure physics. As I said before, we have the free will, and we are allowed to use to use it to disobey God's commands.

So we're given free will. But there is a string attached right? A terms and condition right? "You can do whatever you want mate. But, if you do what I want, then you shall go to heaven." Is that how it works?

God doesn't have to show favouritism to His followers. He loves every human, and so is just as likely to perform miracles to save a believer from death as He is to save an unbeliever (or even a satanist or the like) from death or harm.

What about the mary mackillop chick, who stopped this woman from dying in 1961? Lucky woman, I must say. That woman was saved but a poor boy wasn't.

When a believer dies, their soul will rise to Heaven where they will live for all eternity with God. If anything, believers should look forward to death, and leaving this world of sin and temptation.

Whooo, let's all su-su-suicide.

Why would God prevent the transition of one of his servants from this life to the next? (Unless of course He has His own special reason/s for doing so, which His under no obligation to make apparent to us).

refer to mary mackillop bit.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

cause we have the free will to do what we choose. making apart of the law isn't really "free-ing" is it. hence, the reason why God isn't hitting you with lightning is cause you have free will to do what ever you want to. just like your HSC, you could either study or not, in the end its up to you. there isn't a law to study hard and get a good ATAR, but you know that you have to study and when you don't you feel guilty for wasting your life.

isn't it in the 10 commandments that you shouldn't steal?
isn't theift against the law?
how about murdering? isn't that too against the law?

I see no comandment saying that homosexuality is wrong. or what about child pornography? terrorism? nope. defamation? I think not. drink driving? bahhhhhhhhhhhh

oh but wait, people practiced incest in the bible yeh? so i guess that's okay. stoning adulturers? BOOYAAH!

 

[adomad]

You're borrowing the arguments above lol.

what points above?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Yes. Relativism doesn't work. You can't pretend that beliefs are like preferences for icecream. We can't all be right.

For example, Christianity and Islam can't both be right.

Maybe they're all right.

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

what points above?

I do apologize, that post was on the other page before .

I mean, from page 295:

God gave us free will, we are able to do as we please. That means, obviously I can kill you, you can kill me, or we can team up and kill whomever etc etc. It also means that X person can fire a gun randomly into the sky, and the falling bullet
may kill someone, and God will not prevent it, he gave us the free will to do as we please in this life.

 

[adomad]

I do apologize, that post was on the other page before .

I mean, from page 295:

ok, so what. repetition is used for emphasis lol

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

ok, so what. repetition is used for emphasis lol

You can't present strong arguments so you borrow from previous posts, phrases which suit your circumstance.

 

[BlackDragon]

Oh look its:

A: But why does there need to be god?

C: Because there is god.

 

[ClockworkSoldier]

Oh look its:

A: But why does there need to be god?

C: Because there is god.

Circular reasoning, which is described by the OP and expressed as an invalid tact.

 

[BlackDragon]

Yep.

 

[adomad]

I see no comandment saying that homosexuality is wrong. or what about child pornography? terrorism? nope. defamation? I think not. drink driving? bahhhhhhhhhhhh

oh but wait, people practiced incest in the bible yeh? so i guess that's okay. stoning adulturers? BOOYAAH!

not all of the rules can be found in on chapter of the bible! there are other laws in the bible. for example,. homosexuality : If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Lev 20:13. terrorism is also wrong, one of the 10 commandments, you shall not murder! Drink driving, drinking till the point were you are drunk is a sin as you are killing your self ( permanent damage to your liver) and when you are drunk you have the potential to kill without knowing it. also in regards to drinking, " Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit" eph 5:18

stoning the adulturers was an acceptale thing to do as the wage of sin is death. just as the law allows a death sentence to be put apon a person who commit a sin and back then infidelity was something considered to be a sin ( and is probably the major source of all divorces in the world). and just because there is incest, doesn't mean the bible condones it and the only mention in know of was when lot was DRUNK and didn't have any inhibition of what was going on around him.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

not all of the rules can be found in on chapter of the bible! There are other laws in the bible. For example,. Homosexuality : if a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. they shall surely be put to death. their blood shall be upon them." lev 20:13. Terrorism is also wrong, one of the 10 commandments, you shall not murder! drink driving, drinking till the point were you are drunk is a sin as you are killing your self ( permanent damage to your liver) and when you are drunk you have the potential to kill without knowing it. Also in regards to drinking, "do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the spirit" eph 5:18

stoning the adulturers was an acceptale thing to do as the wage of sin is death. Just as the law allows a death sentence to be put apon a person who commit a sin and back then infidelity was something considered to be a sin ( and is probably the major source of all divorces in the world). And just because there is incest, doesn't mean the bible condones it and the only mention in know of was when lot was drunk and didn't have any inhibition of what was going on around him.

hypocrite

 

[Name_Taken]

hypocrite

He hasn't killed you yet, he's hardly a hypocrite

Jesus said "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone".

We are all sinners, we all *deserve* death (but can't deliver it to each other, without committing a sin, ironically), for the punishment for any sin is death (also funnily enough). It is only through are faith and salvation through Christ can we be forgiven for faltering to our temptations.

Have faith SeCKSiiMiNh, let God into your heart

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

He hasn't killed you yet, he's hardly a hypocrite

Jesus said "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone".

We are all sinners, we all *deserve* death (but can't deliver it to each other, without committing a sin, ironically), for the punishment for any sin is death (also funnily enough). It is only through are faith and salvation through Christ can we be forgiven for faltering to our temptations.

Have faith SeCKSiiMiNh, let God into your heart

Oh for the love of god.

even if i wanted to believe in god, i can't. i can't picture it.

 

[Name_Taken]

Oh for the love of god.

even if i wanted to believe in god, i can't. i can't picture it.

Try it. Tonight. He is calling to you, all you must do is silence your doubts, and listen.

Don't hold back, pour your heart out to Him.

Everyone has doubted Him once, even the most pious of individuals are only human.

 

[Will Shakespear]

is this guy a troll or what?

 

[lifequest]

As stated in many posts, believing in God is a win win situation. If you die and he does exist, whoopi-di-do. If he doesn't, meh!

What prevents me from following Christianity is the "requirement" to believe in EVERYTHING. i.e. to me, believing in God involves believing in all his teachings, of which many I object to.

One of which, the strong objection to homosexuality. While I'm straight, one of my best mate withdrew from the world in year 12, sinking into depression. Why? Closeted homo.
Why?...Why would someone be closeted? It is because of widespread religion. Society accepts homosexuality, the law accepts it. Yet, religion just can't seem to adjust, because they cannot admit something in the bible is wrong.

Just because something in the bible is wrong does not mean that God is wrong. It only means the interpreter, the writer, of that chapter of the Bible is wrong.

No one should be ashamed of themselves. I'm ashamed that many religion can't accept certain individuals.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Try it. Tonight. He is calling to you, all you must do is silence your doubts, and listen.

Don't hold back, pour your heart out to Him.

Everyone has doubted Him once, even the most pious of individuals are only human.

oh no. i don't wanna be a part of him. i can't be a homosexual and be with god. it just doesn't work. and i doubt that any other homosexuals would as well. and even if i do "pour my heart out to him", i could be doing that to noone. to nothing. i have no use of nothing.

Edit: But you're free to pray for me if you want.

 

[tommykins]

Try it. Tonight. He is calling to you, all you must do is silence your doubts, and listen.

Don't hold back, pour your heart out to Him.

Everyone has doubted Him once, even the most pious of individuals are only human.

done, no response.

are you gonna tell me i didn't open up my heart enough?