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Should Muslim immigration to Australia be stopped? (2 Viewers)

Should Muslim immigration to Australia be stopped?

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German Catholics supported Hitler. I trust you don't need me to tell you of all the "mutation" the Third Reich dabbled in.

Jews circumcise. Granted, it's much less severe, but it's still mutation of the body with no practical benefits.

AIDS is a fair mutation of the body. Christianity has inadvertently caused millions of deaths at its hands by having some ridiculous objection to condoms.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor the mutation Islam has been known to do. It's disgusting. But every culture does things like that. Not just the big bad evil Muslims.
 

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German Catholics supported Hitler. I trust you don't need me to tell you of all the "mutation" the Third Reich dabbled in.

Jews circumcise. Granted, it's much less severe, but it's still mutation of the body with no practical benefits.

AIDS is a fair mutation of the body. Christianity has inadvertently caused millions of deaths at its hands by having some ridiculous objection to condoms.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor the mutation Islam has been known to do. It's disgusting. But every culture does things like that. Not just the big bad evil Muslims.
Wow. You're ripping into white full stops now.

Someone is argumentative tonight.
 

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The best thing the world could do to reduce Islamic terrorism would be to accept Muslims as people, and stop alienating them.
What is being done to marginalise Muslims?
I believe Anti Muslim views constitute only a minority in today's world

Terrorists don't even represent the true values of Islam
Acceptance of Muslims is not what their after, its power
The actual cause that drives these terrorists is this ideology of dominance
They are tenaciously unyielding (more than slively03 :p) and quite simply said, firm in their beliefs

Succumbing to their demands once can only instigate greater, more ferocious ones.

Rather, I'd suggest processes for cleansing them and 'cutting off' this chain of callous attitudes they pass along.
 

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Wow. You're ripping into white full stops now.

Someone is argumentative tonight.
I don't mean to target whites, aka me.

But we have committed our fair share of atrocities over the years (don't worry, I don't count circumcision as an atrocity) and people don't seem to be able to see that.

People only see the Muslim ones.

White people, for the most part, are absolutely fine. As are people from the Middle East.
 
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I pretty much considered slively a true libertarian till this day.

No libertarian would ever stereotype a whole ethnic or religious group.

A true libertarian would only judge the individuals of 1.5billion muslim not the 1.5billion Muslims as a single homogeneous group.
 

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What is being done to marginalise Muslims?
I believe Anti Muslim views constitute only a minority in today's world
Hahaha! You don't see marginalisation of Muslims? You don't think there are many anti-Muslim views?

You're obviously blind and deaf then, look through this thread.

It's all about the anti-Islamic movement. Read the title ffs.
 

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They are primitive religions. Most are.

All Wilson Tuckey said was that refugee boats might harbour terrorists.

That's not exactly a wild conceptual leap.
It is once you consider how straightforward it is for actual terrorists to (temporarily or otherwise) enter Australia using conventional, above-board transport, often assisted by falsified documents.

The idea that they would risk not only indefinite detention, but also the other severe dangers such a journey presents, is not only illogical, there is also absolutely no evidence to support it.

Coulter and Tuckey? Really, these people weren't meant to be taken seriously.
You can do better.
 

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German Catholics supported Hitler. I trust you don't need me to tell you of all the "mutation" the Third Reich dabbled in.
Invalid point, Nazism was not predominately religious movement. Protestants, Muslims and even some Jews dabbled in it as well.

Jews circumcise. Granted, it's much less severe, but it's still mutation of the body with no practical benefits.
Actually its been proven to reduce the risk of transmitting STD's, many non-Jews get it as a health measure. Although granted the baby gets no say in it, as we saw on Safran's Race Relations, it can be reversed *shudders*
 

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Invalid point, Nazism was not predominately religious movement. Protestants, Muslims and even some Jews dabbled in it as well.



Actually its been proven to reduce the risk of transmitting STD's, many non-Jews get it as a health measure. Although granted the baby gets no say in it, as we saw on Safran's Race Relations, it can be reversed *shudders*
I'm not talking about how religious the actual movement was, I'm talking about the implicit support the Church gave to Nazism. And in doing so, they relinquished their so-called morals, that they hold so close to their hearts and supposedly protect us humans from our own inherent desire to kill, pillage and rape.

Okay, circumcision is a minor point. We're talking about penises in a discussion about the global issue of Muslim-Western relations. I have heard that it increases vulnerability to infections, but I really don't care

Pretend I never mentioned schmucks.
 

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It's an internet forum. It would be less fun if i didnt quote people controversial. Trolling to a mild extent.

oh and BBJ: Its not individual muslims i'm criticising, it's Islam itself, and religion in general.

And I am circumcised. I hardly feel mutilated. Next you'll be telling me that braces mutilated by otherwise crowded teeth.
Not just controversial. One is old, incredibly uninformed and increasingly senile. The other is crazy, crazy and crazy.
 

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It's an internet forum. It would be less fun if i didnt quote people controversial. Trolling to a mild extent.

oh and BBJ: Its not individual muslims i'm criticising, it's Islam itself, and religion in general.

And I am circumcised. I hardly feel mutilated. Next you'll be telling me that braces mutilated by otherwise crowded teeth.
My God, just because you people have been comprehensively beaten on the real issues in this discussion, don't try and start attacking my minor example involving willies.

It is defined as a bodily mutilation. That's not necessarily negative, yes, but that's what it is. As are tattoos and piercings.

But you're NOT criticising religion in general. You're criticising Muslims and Muslims alone. You haven't posed the idea of stopping Christians immigrating.

Well you got one thing right, you are a troll. However learned.
 

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I only write this shit to amuse myself.
Hahahaha, yeah, that's why you write this:

Cartoons of the Islamic founder and “prophet”, Mohammed, one of which depicted him with a bomb, were published in various European newspapers – and Muslims worldwide went wild with (albeit carefully choreographed) anger. Depicting Mohammed is prohibited by Islam. The cartoons were first published in a daily newspaper in Denmark. Later, other newspapers published them as well, insisting on the western tradition of freedom of the press.

In early February 2006, Syrian Muslim demonstrators set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus, damaged the Swedish embassy, and attempted to storm the French mission; and Muslim demonstrators set fire to the Danish consulate in Beirut. Police fired tear gas to disperse the thousands of angry Muslims, and 60 people were arrested. The Danish Foreign Ministry urged Danes to leave Lebanon and advised its citizens not to travel there.

In Indonesia, protesters in four cities demanded an apology from Denmark. In Iraq, Muslims called for attacks on Danish troops, and the seizing and killing of Danish hostages. In Tehran, Iran, the Austrian embassy was pelted with firebombs and stones. In the Gaza strip, Palestinian demonstrators threw stones at the EU offices, and pulled down the EU flag. In Afghanistan, protests occurred in several places, with at least one person being killed when shooting erupted in one town. And in Britain, Muslims protesting in London held up placards which read: “Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come”, and, “Butcher those who mock Islam.”

In late February, about 1000 demonstrators torched the Italian consulate in Benghazi, Libya, with police firing on the demonstrators, killing and injuring many. In Chaniot, Pakistan, police fired on a crowd trying to burn shops in protest. Hundreds blocked roads, burned tyres and pelted police with stones. Various protests across Pakistan left a number of people dead, as demonstrators targeted western businesses. A Pakistani Muslim religious leader announced a U.S. $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who depicted Mohammed.

These Islamic fanatics can dish it out, but they can’t take it. Ever quick to commit horrifying terror attacks against non-Muslims the world over, they demand that the rest of the world treats their violent, bloodthirsty founder, Mohammed, with “respect.” Mohammed may be the prophet of all Muslims worldwide, and they may respect him; but we have news for these Islamic mobsters – the rest of the world doesn’t revere him as a prophet. In fact, all peace-loving people do not revere him in any way at all. If Muslims want to revere this man, they are free to do so, but their arrogant assertion that the whole world must hold him in high esteem is absolutely ridiculous.

For the past few decades, vast numbers of Muslims have emigrated to European countries. In some of these countries, Islam is now the second religion after Roman Catholicism. And as their numbers have grown and their influence has increased, and as religious freedom is, on paper at least, guaranteed in much of Europe and the rest of the west (of course this is rapidly being eroded and ignored by European governments today), Muslims living in Europe and other western nations have become ever more aggressive, and are demanding “respect” for Islam. It is a deliberate agenda on the part of the Muslim world: to flood Europe with emigrants, the plan being to turn Europe into an Islamic continent. And so they take advantage of the laws concerning religious freedom in these countries.

And the sheer hypocrisy of these Islamic fanatics! Muslims shout and scream that Islam should be respected in western countries. But do Muslim countries respect Christianity, and Christians? They demand “tolerance” in non-Muslim countries – yet Islam is utterly intolerant of Christianity in almost all Muslim countries! They show absolutely no respect for, or tolerance of, professing Christians living in Muslim-dominated countries! They grant them few, if any, “rights”! In Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and various other Muslim countries, professing Christians are forbidden from evangelising publicly – a privilege granted to Muslims in a number of western countries; and they are persecuted in all kinds of shocking ways. Their church buildings are attacked and burnt to the ground, their women are raped, their men are murdered in hideous ways. It is happening every week, all over the Muslim world. “Respect” and “tolerance”? Islam doesn’t know the meaning of the words. It is a religion that has been spread by the point of the sword ever since its foundation, utterly intolerant of all others: intolerant of life, property, or religious freedom. And yet these are the very things it demands in all other countries – and its fanatical followers riot and rampage when they don’t get their way. Hypocrites!

Muslims express all this outrage over a few cartoons. But where was their outrage when Muslim terrorists flew commercial airliners into the Twin Towers in New York City? There was none. In fact, they rejoiced the world over, dancing in the streets. Thousands died, but this did not fill Muslims with outrage. A few cartoons of their “prophet”, however, are enough to get them so mad that they go on the rampage. What kind of twisted, distorted “morality” is this?

The fear generated by this supposedly “spontaneous” outburst of Muslim anger worldwide (it was anything but) will in all likelihood cause governments to clamp down on religious freedom, and press freedom, even more than they have already. It has already happened in South Africa: a gag order was granted to a Muslim leadership group, preventing South African Sunday newspapers from publishing the cartoons. SA National Editors Forum chairman, Joe Thloloe, described the interdict as alarming and as amounting to pre-publication censorship

I suspect that the European governments will eventually back down, and strike a blow against press freedom as well. And again it will be a case of: Muslims 1, European governments 0. Cowardly, spineless western leaders, instead of standing up to this Islamic terror campaign, will cave. And not only will western countries suffer the consequences of weak and timid leadership, but true Christians also will suffer, for restrictions will increasingly be imposed upon them as to what they will be permitted by law to preach and write and publish about other religions. In many places it is already a criminal offence to criticise other religions. Instead of imprisoning or even expelling these Islamic madmen from their shores, western leaders will use this latest Islamic outrage as an excuse to push through their own agenda regarding the further curtailing of religious freedom.
It's aaaaaall a big joke for you isn't it slively.

You definitely don't take it seriously or put effort into it.

At least sustain pride in your beliefs. Even when they're invalidated because they're fundamentally defunct.
 

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I'm just saying we should be wary about having an even greater percentage of muslim (or any other significant divergent culture) population in australia considering the amount of civil unrest in other countries we have seen in parts of europe and Israel.
And I'm just saying that all that civil unrest is a result of people alienating Muslims. Would there be tension if people stopped being such ignorant pricks and accepted that all Muslims aren't terrorists? No.

I actually just copy pasted it from a website.
Well, I think I just saw the credibility of anything and everything you've said tonight fly out the window.

Nice move.
 

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I'm just saying we should be wary about having an even greater percentage of muslim (or any other significant divergent culture) population in australia considering the amount of civil unrest in other countries we have seen in parts of europe and Israel.
In Australia, I really don't think the average Muslim is anymore "divergent" than the average Christian. Essentially, not allowing someone to enter a country based solely on their religious views (or lack thereof) is pure discrimination.
 
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I'm just saying we should be wary about having an even greater percentage of muslim (or any other significant divergent culture) population in australia considering the amount of civil unrest in other countries we have seen in parts of europe and Israel.
but how does it even effect you? Why do you care what muslims do as long as you are not forced to change your lifestyle for them?
 

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Immigrants probably are divergent, though.
No more than you.

And Tuckey.

And Coulter.

And every other person that somehow got an education or power yet retained their particularly silly beliefs.
 

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Tending to be different in cultural attitudes. Towards women, justice, notion of religion as belonging in private sphere, dont wear masks in public, women are equal etc.
Last time I checked, women weren't exactly equal in Christianity either. If fundamentalist Islam is considered divergent, then so is fundamentalist Christianity.
 

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