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I conceeded this in the very post you got your granny knickers in a knot over. As SP whalloped you with, this says nothing about its morality. PLs learn to distinguish
Ok, so you posted a mistake in your first post. Good, we're making ground.

Secondly, I agree'd way back (in our orginal argument) that it was not a moral question. The distinguishment I think lies on you to recognise it was one of science (although you wer'nt intially happy to do this).

Thirdly, I agree with SP- yet, and rightfully I should ask, I approach morality with skepticism and do ask, is their an objective morality- ie right/wrong, beyond what we have already determined as a group? His reply was he doesn't know. At this stage, nor do I. And due to the fact that your simply another human being (with the same brain as me), nor do you.
 

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haha, you got that off Hitchens?
But seriously he is just saying things for kicks, its very easy to recognise..he's not even that good at it
His biggest fan. :)

Note my love for his remarkable witticisms and vocabularly.
 

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actually the main reason for divorce is money. which is a whole other issue so we will leave it at that.

other than that i agree with iron. humans are innately monogomous, which i suppose ensures the propogation of the species. people cheat because they have underlying issues and as long as you have deep seeded emotional issues you shouldn't be in a relationship. how are you meant to give yourself to another person if you don't even know who you are/aren't happy with yourself.

EDIT: my propogation thing has nothing to do with christianity/homosexuals etc. i am atheist, and i believe in gay rights just so you know ther eis no religious bias on my behalf.
I disagree. It's relevant because the divorce rate is the main reason we're having this entire thread here. If people get divorced so often, or don't and have familial problems and it's not in the best interests of the children, why should we have marriage?

Despite the stereotypical, most publicised reason would be money, I'd doubt it is all. Most loving relationships, or many, just can't last forever. It's hard to find your perfect complementary match.
 

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Ok, so you posted a mistake in your first post. Good, we're making ground.
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Why do you insist on playing dirty, you wop? There was no mistake. If you were less determined to find fault in any words spoken by a Christian, you would have seen the context was entirely reasonable when taken as a God-intended state.

But youre so determined to shoot down any Christian, so hungry for vindication, that youll run to the press with any scrap of information, squeezed out of any believer on earth, and call on God to resign and for the people to vote you PrimeGod at the next election.

You are erratic
Your judgement cannot be trusted
You stand for nothing but your own advancement because you fear our Christian truth.
 
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On the other side of the argument...marriage can provide security etc, just because of its social implications...one of the reasons gays want to be able to marry.
 

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that is an excellent question. why do something with such a high risk of it ending in divorce, hurt and anguish?

but statistics show that money is actually the main reason for divorce. given that this also includes gambling etc so also somewhat ties in with addiction...
also taking into consideration they don't ask every divorced couple the reason, but trends show that it is money.

BUT i agree with your first point that marriage often negates itself like initial reason=love however when it goes to shit it's catastrophic...
*Sigh* perhaps I have too much faith in humanity
 

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Why do you insist on playing dirty, you wop? There was no mistake. If you were less determined to find fault in any words spoken by a non-Christian, you would have seen the context was entirely reasonable when taken as a non-god-intended state.

But youre so determined to shoot down any non-Christian, so hungry for vindication, that youll run to the press with any scrap of information, squeezed out of any non-believer on earth.

You are erratic
Your judgement cannot be trusted
You stand for nothing but your own advancement because you fear real truth.
The reverse holds true.
 
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that is an excellent question. why do something with such a high risk of it ending in divorce, hurt and anguish?
Because people don't want to believe it might end like that. They like to think that they'll be part of the 50% that *do* make it. And no-one can predict what will happen in the future. My dad told me after he split up with my mum, that when they'd married, he'd never dreamed that he and mum would separate. But things happen, people change, circumstances make it difficult...and it gets to a point where trying to keep it together does more harm than good.
 

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Because people don't want to believe it might end like that. They like to think that they'll be part of the 50% that *do* make it. And no-one can predict what will happen in the future. My dad told me after he split up with my mum, that when they'd married, he'd never dreamed that he and mum would separate. But things happen, people change, circumstances make it difficult...and it gets to a point where trying to keep it together does more harm than good.
Yeah exactly, and if people knew and accepted that marriages (not just relationships) can break down, then maybe the hurt and anguish to them, the kids etc would be a lot less.

I know it would appear that a situation where people chopped and changed partners as feelings/circumstances dictated (and obviously many wouldn't, because I know a significant proportion of long-term relationships work out until death) would provide less stability and safety or whatever, but we've only ever really experienced a society where marriage is the norm.

We don't know any different kinda thing?
 

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I hear you bro. Yet I can't help but think it would be ok to marry around 28''s or below 35"s if u know i mean? My parents aren't slip up but they are pretty fluxating in their relationship~

anyways it does help you don't drag relationships for too long i guess...
 

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First up, I think this belongs in the NP&CA thread, because it's to do with sociology and greater philosophical questions, as opposed to living arrangements.

The other weekend, I may or may not have been divulging in some illicit substances. Anyway so it was an intimate group of close friends were very forthcoming with things that they have never told anyone before, especially about their families.

Like one girl was saying how her Dad had depression, and he turned alcoholic and used to just sit on the couch crying every night. And she never used to want to come home from school when she knew he would be home, because she didn't know what she was going to find hanging from the ceiling. And how once they got a call from him saying that he was going to drive headfirst into the next car that ran around the corner. He had an affair and she hasn't talked to him for months, even though he's heaps better now.

Another friend said how her Dad is also an alcoholic, and put her Mum's boyfriend's head through the wall (her mum also had an affair).

Most of my friends' parents have split up, including mine, and i know of some other pretty fucked up situations with the families.

We came to the conclusion that the concept of the merrily happy middle-class family is the biggest load of shit ever and that just as much dysfunction and unhappiness takes place in wealthy families as it does in lower SES families, sometimes on a much more hush-hush, psychologically damaging level.

So this got me thinking about marriage, and the social construct that it is. Why do we, usually (although less so now) at a very young age, decide to choose to spend the rest of our lives with the one person. We do this even though we know that a huge amount of marriages end in divorce and general unpleasantness, and many of the ones that don't are the home of two very unhappy people, who may only stay together "for the good of the kids" or out of sheer habit.

But is marriage really the best fit for kids and the adults? Does the perceived negative emotional effect on children only exist because they are conditioned from birth to accept that they have a mum and a dad and that that these two roles will never change. Of course there can only ever be the two biological parents, but in some ways biology is a lot more simple and unforgiving than human emotions.

I believe that a family can be a great place for the socialisation of children, but I also think that I would embrace a situation where adults could change their partners when they fell in and out of love or a relationship was not working no matter how much effort was put in. If children knew this to be the case as they were growing up, surely the effect would be much much less.

Discussion please.
It's really sad that you all had those negative experiences.
I've observed the opposite. My parents are 100% committed to one another and obviously totally in love, my grandparents adore each other and my boyfriend's parents are very much in love...
I see marriage as a wonderful thing - marriages DON'T have to fail, but they do require work.
 

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No. He's for real. Hard to believe hey?
*face palm*

Sorry. back on topic:

Marriage is never necessarily the 'best fit' espeically when two people get married for all the wrong reasons. if you start your marriage off on a false foot its already on shaky ground - so if you're getting married just because you accidently knocked up a girl you screwed over the weekend then i'd like you to think real long and hard about the very real possibility of your marriage breaking up in the next ten years (even if you try really hard).

That is only one situation in which marriage break up is a real possibility - other things can happen as well. situations change, people change. there is no guarantee that things will stay the same forever. There is however a guarantee that things will change, and a marriage will only survive if both partners can adapt and survive the changes. if not then well... the statistics speak for themselves i guess.
 

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Incidentally if you want to have a marriage that will last don't marry someone whose parents are divorced.
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Children having divorced parents are just as human as those whose parents stuck together. If you want a marriage to last, and so does the other person; then you will need effort, time, and lots of this love thing that is being overused nowadays.

Alcohol and affairs aren't the only reason couples split up, although they seem to be quite common.
 

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:O

Children having divorced parents are just as human as those whose parents stuck together. If you want a marriage to last, and so does the other person; then you will need effort, time, and lots of this love thing that is being overused nowadays.

Alcohol and affairs aren't the only reason couples split up, although they seem to be quite common.
I think mcmabez that banco was referring to statistics that say if your parents are divorced you are more likely to end up divorced too.

stargirl i would divorce you for using the wrong 'there'.
 

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