Privatise the Military (2 Viewers)

[Tully B.]

What circumstances? Able-bodied men should go to work 9-5, have a beer in the pub every afternoon to digest the day and nothing should be open on the weekend - especially sunday. This forces us to come together in other pursuits, like family bonding, chasing girls in more creative and genuine ways, reflecting on our humanity and keeping fit through sport. The universality of it merely increases the chances of greater social cohesion and greater networks of friends. This is real life meaning! Keep your wretched iphone to yourself!
Oh what a wonderful world I would build!

It always freaks me out when Iron talks like this, as if he's bent on world domination.
You're not, are you?

 

[SylviaB]

If you dont see the unique value of your own locality and the common connection between people within that locality, then you have already been claimed victim of the beast of relativism

I don't mean the wars are a violation, I mean forcing people to fight them against their will is.

Greed and exploitation thrive in such cynicism and despair. This world will always be imperfect, but that doesnt mean that we all dont have a duty to make it better and more just

But I'm saying that this greed actually has positive by-products.

And there's nothing you can REALLY do that doesn't involve the suppression of freedom, and that doesn't come at the cost of the nation's productivity and prosperousness.

 

[Sprangler]

A privatised military would have better trained and more efficient solders who aren't bound by politics like UN peacekeeping forces.

They also are nowhere near as responsible or accountable as the state military, and this has been proven on different occasions. Most commonly known are the two scandals by US PMC's - the Blackwater masscare in Iraq, and the Abu Ghraib prison torture incident, which was perpetrated mainly by PMC members and other US military personnell. If I remember correctly, the PMC people didn't get prosecuted but the US soldiers did.

 

[Iron]

There is no god, and that will remain the position on many until we have some tangible evidence for it. The reason you may not be able to see what frustrates us rational non-believers is that there are roughly a billion christians and a billion muslims on this planet. The other 4 billion consists of largely atheist, buddhist, hindu or other non world dominating religions. The point is its necessarily obnoxious that the 2 main religions seeks to subjugate everyone else into their belief system, and take it out of the private sphere where it belongs.

To be honest, as much as I hate your terrible political opinions regarding antifeminism, homosexuality, socialism and influence of religion of government i do respect your right to express these views. What scares me is that governments openly give tax breaks to such organizations, discounted land and a kind of unaccountable welfare that we wouldn't even allow centrelink to be this unaccountable. We give religious dogma a kind of politically correct stigma that doesn't allow us to criticise people who have such contempt for the country they live in and seek to undermine the enlightenment values that make our form of social organisation the best in the world.

Its about time we rose up against these powerful lobbies and started rallying against this bullshit (i'm looking at you muslims).

We subjugate no one. The Church cannot govern and it must not govern. Church and state must be separate, religious violence is intolerable etcetcetc- Catholics love this stuff! We keep it in the private sphere by informing and preparing individuals in the struggle between good and evil at our churches and other functions. The individuals we instruct in Truth are free to reject it or act in contradictory ways, but they make the free choice to live by our creed and this has real-world impacts, obviously.

States see the value of Christians - they know that their just authority, our democratic foundations and maximizing of human rights would not be secure without the ok from Christian doctrine. More often than not, it was Christians, with Christian consciences, who drove the improvements you crow about! Your so-called 'enlightenment' amounts to nothing but a tragic, selfish farce which has shipwrecked many a soul. As soon as our deeds cease to be informed by Truth, Love and Justice, the spaghetti really hits the fan, just as it always has

 

[SylviaB]

Most commonly known are the two scandals by US PMC's

PMC's =/= privatised military.

 

[SylviaB]

I dont think that governments will ever make people happy.

It's not their role to.

and nothing should be open on the weekend - especially sunday. This forces us to come together in other pursuits, like family bonding, chasing girls in more creative and genuine ways, reflecting on our humanity and keeping fit through sport. The universality of it merely increases the chances of greater social cohesion and greater networks of friends.

Wow yeah geez certainly like people having personal freedom.

Oh wait, LOL NO.

Oh what a wonderful world I would build!

You would be forcefully overthrown within weeks.

 

[DavidBenGurion]

A privatised military would have better trained and more efficient solders who aren't bound by politics like UN peacekeeping forces.

watwatwat?

I don't understand the first comment, and UN peacekeeping forces are bound by the politics of the UN.

As for privatising the military, I'm not yet decided. My instinct says no.

 

[Freedom_]

This Iron guy is fucking crazy.

 

[SylviaB]

This Iron guy is fucking crazy.

Nah dude you can't say that because that means you "don't get him".

Even though he's being deadly serious :mad1:

 

[Iron]

Iron has a rosy view of the church. It wasn't so long ago that the vatican was the centre of the dark ages in europe and the killing and bloodshed of millions of europeans.

That was unfortunate

lol at the CSLewis quote tho

 

[Sprangler]

watwatwat?
I don't understand the first comment

Through the hiring of well trained and highly skilled retired officers and enlisted personnel

and UN peacekeeping forces are bound by the politics of the UN.

And PMC mercenaries are not, which is one of the major advantages of a PMC. But since this isn't about PMC's ill stfu, because I don't think the entire military should become privatised.

 

[yoddle]

The privatisation of things is not so much about money as it is about the fact that private companies are far more competent at running things than the government is.

Sure it would be a great world where people cared about others ahead of profits yadda yadda yadda, but that's simply not the way it is and there's nothing you can do about it.

Lol. In terms of profit versus humanity, it doesn't matter who is more efficient than who, if the end result is that profits are the aim over the welfare of humans, then Iron's point is pretty spot on. The 'competent' thing is a part of the rationalisation process that we make when putting money before all else. Like a gay thrity year old who buys a Thai wife.

Bolded comments are the two most ridiculous phrases on the face of the Earth. I lol at them and pity your dimness and ignorant obedience.

 

[Iron]

A truly free society is necessarily atheist, but tolerant to the practicing of religion in the private sphere which has however no say in the running of the government of the day. We should openly start denying the religious people this supposed right where they can take their pious rightousness elsewhere. We are the NEW WORLD dammnit! Why aren't we above this already?


Like Iron's pointlessly abstract notions of social solidarity as the public interest, a richer notion of the public interest is as anything beyond an interest in the rules underlying a market system. It's merely camouflauging the imposition of some values on everyone else. Market sovereignty minimises objectionable paternalism.

Market sovereignty is merely another way of taking humans out of life's picture and replacing them with an inhuman mechanism of an ideology which essentially works against men's interests. It is you who offers the mask of horror, as you deny outright the very existence of objective morality and truth. You surrender everything, offer heart and soul, sacrifice your loved ones, to the unholy beast of the market because you are blind to truth and numb to God.

I merely insist that man and mankind must be at the center of our development, rather than some other irrelevant and evil objective, like maximum efficiency. The market is not inherently moral; efficiency pays no heed to right and wrong; only men who love and God and eachother can evaluate the goodness of a policy
Privatisation is death

 

[loquasagacious]

Through the hiring of well trained and highly skilled retired officers and enlisted personnel



And PMC mercenaries are not, which is one of the major advantages of a PMC. But since this isn't about PMC's ill stfu, because I don't think the entire military should become privatised.

Why not?

 

[SylviaB]

Lol. In terms of profit versus humanity, it doesn't matter who is more efficient than who, if the end result is that profits are the aim over the welfare of humans, then Iron's point is pretty spot on.

Compare: Capitalistic countires & Communistic countries.

Capitalism is about profit, communism is about humanity.

Guess which countries have MUCH higher standards of living and happiness?

Wait for it, wait for it, YES! That's right! The ones concerned with profit.

The 'competent' thing is a part of the rationalisation process that we make when putting money before all else. Like a gay thrity year old who buys a Thai wife.

Competence in running ESSENTIAL SERVICES is what fucking give people a high standard of living you fucking dolt.

Bolded comments are the two most ridiculous phrases on the face of the Earth. I lol at them and pity your dimness and ignorant obedience.

Prove that they're so ridiculous then, huh.

1. Are you denying that most people are greedy?

2. What can you realistically do about greed that doesn't involve suppressing both freedom and productivity.

And if you care SOOOO much about people, then you should realise freedom is the most important thing you can provide them with.

 

[DavidBenGurion]

Through the hiring of well trained and highly skilled retired officers and enlisted personnel

Oh. Does the military not do this already, or something?

 

[SylviaB]

The market is not inherently moral;

Although it has it's flaws, I would say the market is the most moral form of economy, because it rewards people for being hard working and smart, and punishes people for being lazy and foolish.

Sure as heck is a lot more moral than individuals leeching off of the hard work of others (ie. Socialism).

 

[Iron]

Ur an idiot

 

[SylviaB]

Ur an idiot

>:[

Stop disrespecting me.

 

[DavidBenGurion]

Although it has it's flaws, I would say the market is the most moral form of economy, because it rewards people for being hard working and smart, and punishes people for being lazy and foolish.

Sure as heck is a lot more moral than individuals leeching off of the hard work of others (ie. Socialism).

That's not socialism, and you're a moron. Go back to HSC, you guy.