Australian Politics (4 Viewers)

[incentivation]

The thing that gets me is that no matter what Rudd does, in part due to the support provided by the media, it has little or no reflection in the popularity stakes. Trying to dent Rudd's armour, with the likes of Oakes and Bongiorno providing stories to the masses, is like trying to wrestle a bear.

I for one, am not a fan of such 'vulgar' language from a national leader. They are human, and of course fallible. However, as leaders they are supposed to be above the common denominator. It may appeal to portions of the public, but I believe our leader should be on a pedestal. Our leader should be the one who is composed and collected irrespective of the circumstances (at least in public anyway).

One does not obtain statesman like status with such lapses in language choice. Maybe I'm just too conservative.

 

[blue_chameleon]

Says he who thinks the most popular polly in our history comes across as aloof and fake.

"One of these things is not like the other."



I perceive him that way, yes. Who is right and who is wrong?

 

[blue_chameleon]

allow me to tell you of a tale of love lost and redemption.. redeemed

He was a guest speaker for a pols class (deception etc). He invited us to do our best to trip him up and we did our darndest, let me tell you my friend. We gave it our all, we certainly did.
The obvious questions were on Tampa, interest rates, GST etc but I thought that i'd ask a much more subtle and piercing question. When the time came for me to strike, I made my move to the microphone, careful to appear in control of my faculties and unfased by his rank. I was steady and neither my hands nor voice shook. He sized me up with his efficient, raptor glare. I recognised this as an attempt to intimidate me, but I pressed on, unphased, unaffected, to clutch the microphone. I glared at him back with my more human, less cunning, lion ferocity. This was it. This was my moment. I said to him "As a Catholic, how can you justify what you call "spin" - that is, being true to the letter, but not the heart of God's law as opposed to man's". A hush fell across the lecture theatre and I had braced myself for this. I used this silence to my advantange; as the icey beast started to thaw in movements indicating that he was about to answer, I seized the moment: "Secondly, would you accept the political necessity of what Plato called the 'noble lie', or would you align with the more Kantian view that telling the truth is a Categorical Imperative". This second question was necessary to win back the secular crowd. I smiled humbily and resumed my seat.
You must udnerstand, the atmosphere at this point was tense - people were literally on the edge of their seats to hear the response. Had we done it? Had this brave lad defeated this reptilian monster? Slain the dragon?

He floundered for a few seconds "Well, now, well, no, look" (or thereabouts). This was an excellent sign. He was on the ropes, you see! He had been dealt such a blow that he did not anticipate and he was teetering between recovery and unconsciousness. Then a terrible thing happened. He slipped into gear and said "Well your first question was bullshit". Although not totally damning in itself, it was greeted with laughter. My loyal friends looked down (JUDAS YOU DENY ME, I wanted to cry out) and I politely smiled, though could not mask the rouge in my cheeks that greeted such vulgarity.
He then gave me a fair answer to my second one and I learned to love him forever and not extinguish the small candle I keep burning within my heart for the Liberal party

I could hear Abbott fumbling his words at the start of his reply.

 

[Lentern]

The thing that gets me is that no matter what Rudd does, in part due to the support provided by the media, it has little or no reflection in the popularity stakes. Trying to dent Rudd's armour, with the likes of Oakes and Bongiorno providing stories to the masses, is like trying to wrestle a bear.

I for one, am not a fan of such 'vulgar' language from a national leader. They are human, and of course fallible. However, as leaders they are supposed to be above the common denominator. It may appeal to portions of the public, but I believe our leader should be on a pedestal. Our leader should be the one who is composed and collected irrespective of the circumstances.

One does not obtain statesman like status with such lapses in language choice. Maybe I'm just too conservative.

Oh jesus, and what do you think of Howards tantrums in parliament, "It's allright for him to do it, but it's not allright for me, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for orchestrating this." And before you again accuse me of hackery I think Turnbull is a fine example of how frontbenchers should behave. He is strong, forcefull, commanding but he also maintains dignity in the process. He is someone who actually has gravitas. Infact Turnbull is just about the best of the best, his only problem is his tendancy to seem a little lofty and slightly pompous. But thats not really a problem, graitas and pomposity see to go hand in hand, probably the only exception to the rule being this man. Maybe they should make him treasurer?

 

[Lentern]

"One of these things is not like the other."



I perceive him that way, yes. Who is right and who is wrong?

Nick Minchin on both counts, Hahaha(hides in corner)

 

[incentivation]

Oh jesus, and what do you think of Howards tantrums in parliament, "It's allright for him to do it, but it's not allright for me, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for orchestrating this." And before you again accuse me of hackery I think Turnbull is a fine example of how frontbenchers should behave. He is strong, forcefull, commanding but he also maintains dignity in the process. He is someone who actually has gravitas. Infact Turnbull is just about the best of the best, his only problem is his tendancy to seem a little lofty and slightly pompous. But thats not really a problem, graitas and pomposity see to go hand in hand, probably the only exception to the rule being this man. Maybe they should make him treasurer?

I still don't see your fascination with Steven Smith. He has to the most boring personality in the parliament.

I wouldn't call them tantrums. That was Howard at his passionate best. And he still didn't have to resort to poor language to come across as passionate.

Rudd has his own subtle forms of tantrum in the parliament. He reminds me of the reformed Christian. A pleasant but fake exterior, which builds up the expectation that one day he will explode from the competing personalities.

 

[spiny norman]

I for one, am not a fan of such 'vulgar' language from a national leader. They are human, and of course fallible. However, as leaders they are supposed to be above the common denominator. It may appeal to portions of the public, but I believe our leader should be on a pedestal. Our leader should be the one who is composed and collected irrespective of the circumstances (at least in public anyway).

Oh stop being a whiny cunt. Why does anyone give a shit about this?

 

[Iron]

amen broseph

 

[Lentern]

I still don't see your fascination with Steven Smith. He has to the most boring personality in the parliament.

I wouldn't call them tantrums. That was Howard at his passionate best. And he still didn't have to resort to poor language to come across as passionate.

Rudd has his own subtle forms of tantrum in the parliament. He reminds me of the reformed Christian. A pleasant but fake exterior, which builds up the expectation that one day he will explode from the competing personalities.

Of all the federal politicians who can on a weekly basis make the national press can you think of one who has polarised less voters than Smith? Yet for his Creanesque blandness there is a certain toughness about him. Not of the Howard, tell it how it is, show how you really feel kind but a comfortability, put him at the dispatch box or on the abc election pannel or at a local meet and greet and he just seems so natural and comfortable and genuine. What is it that cultivates this sense? Probably a combination of superficial things, his hair is very statesmanlike, his physique, he knows where to look, he has a good wardrobe consult, he has a very calm, down to earth style of dialogue yet not lacking sophistication. I also have a certain respect for anyone who went to great lengths to stop Latham becoming leader, that is a sure sign of political instinct from my reckoning. But enough drooling over Stephen Smith

You are a hack, i'm sorry but one who finds Howard's displays passionate and inspiring whilst talking about Rudd lackign decorum is looking at things with one eye.The closest to a tantrum I've ever seen from Rudd is probably this: YouTube - aust house of rep interesting last sitting day,rudd rebuttal. Doesn't really compare to Howard's reaction in the first minute of this. And to defend myself from hack cries I actually thought it wa a fantastic speech, just think his little joust with the speaker at the start was not cool.

 

[incentivation]

Oh stop being a whiny cunt. Why does anyone give a shit about this?

Whiny schminy. I can just imagine the reaction in the media if it was Turnbulll. Abbott got slaughtered during the campaign for his 'It's bullshit' comment to Roxon.

The man is Prime Minister. Standards should be high.

 

[Iron]

Omg Lentern's one creepy soynavabish

I imagine you pouring over every detail of the frontbencher in public, for every tick and twitch, every blackhead and out of place hair, every gust of wind that promises to perhaps reveal some cock-bulge..

That's not democracy, that's not freedom. Why, there are psychological issues involved with this personal harassment.

I sense deep insecurities my child

 

[Lentern]

Whiny schminy. I can just imagine the reaction in the media if it was Turnbulll. Abbott got slaughtered during the campaign for his 'It's bullshit' comment to Roxon.

The man is Prime Minister. Standards should be high.

Timing is the main reason. The ALP are popular at the moment. I like to remind people that Gillard turned up half an hour late for a debate with Costello and it barely got reported, Abbott turned up late to his gig(and I think it's fair to say Costello's time was alot more important than Roxons) and he is lambasted for making her wait and then not bending over backwards to make it up to her. Timing.

 

[Lentern]

Omg Lentern's one creepy soynavabish

I imagine you pouring over every detail of the frontbencher in public, for every tick and twitch, every blackhead and out of place hair, every gust of wind that promises to perhaps reveal some cock-bulge..

That's not democracy, that's not freedom. Why, there are psychological issues involved with this personal harassment.

I sense deep insecurities my child

I'm very attentive, when i was little I asked my swimming coach if she'd done anything with her hair, turned out I'd noticed what her husband, daughter, boss and my mum(who was good friends with her) had not. Maybe I'm just gay. It would explain the whole relaxed catholic thing.

 

[Iron]

Ahahaha
Coming out on an Aussie politics forum. Give that man a new.
If youll escort me to this room, SP will gay you

 

[incentivation]

You are a hack, i'm sorry but one who finds Howard's displays passionate and inspiring whilst talking about Rudd lackign decorum is looking at things with one eye.The closest to a tantrum I've ever seen from Rudd is probably this: YouTube - aust house of rep interesting last sitting day,rudd rebuttal. Doesn't really compare to Howard's reaction in the first minute of this. And to defend myself from hack cries I actually thought it wa a fantastic speech, just think his little joust with the speaker at the start was not cool.

I never denied being a hack But I do criticise where necessary.

I agree to a point with what you've said. It did undermine the authority of the speaker to a degree.

I lament the fact that he was unable to sustain the outlook of that speech, particularly in relation to the past, throughout the life of his government. It would have served him and his colleagues much more effectively, to have listened to his own preachings. It was a fantastic line too.

 

[Iron]

I'm very attentive, when i was little I asked my swimming coach if she'd done anything with her hair, turned out I'd noticed what her husband, daughter, boss and my mum(who was good friends with her) had not. Maybe I'm just gay. It would explain the whole relaxed catholic thing.

quoted for history
and truth

 

[Lentern]

I never denied being a hack But I do criticise where necessary.

I agree to a point with what you've said. It did undermine the authority of the speaker to a degree.

I lament the fact that he was unable to sustain the outlook of that speech, particularly in relation to the past, throughout the life of his government. It would have served him and his colleagues much more effectively, to have listened to his own preachings. It was a fantastic line too.

"runs through the government like a river of deceit" very good line. But the one worthy of being poached(I steal politicians lines, nobody else my age knows them so I seem oh so witty when I tell people they can crawl under a rug and wouldn't make a bump) is "The more you talk about the past the more you proclaim your embarrassment about the present and that you have nothing to say about the future." It's particularly useful when talking to St George or south sydney fans.

 

[Lentern]

Ahahaha
Coming out on an Aussie politics forum. Give that man a new.
If youll escort me to this room, SP will gay you

You're not going to kick me out of the catholic group now are you? The only gay that I love is Gai Waterhouse I swear. That voice is like magic, she was a newsreader or something in a different life.

 

[Iron]

You're not going to kick me out of the catholic group now are you? The only gay that I love is Gai Waterhouse I swear. That voice is like magic, she was a newsreader or something in a different life.

Lol, na man we are commanded to offer disinterested friendship to you poor people. Though I must admit, I feel like i've lanced a disfiguring boil for you

say 9384234 hail marys and 12384u3412 our fathers

 

[incentivation]

"runs through the government like a river of deceit" very good line. But the one worthy of being poached(I steal politicians lines, nobody else my age knows them so I seem oh so witty when I tell people they can crawl under a rug and wouldn't make a bump) is "The more you talk about the past the more you proclaim your embarrassment about the present and that you have nothing to say about the future." It's particularly useful when talking to St George or south sydney fans.

Oi.. you're talking to a St George fan.. 2009 is our year.

And 2011 will be a Coalition victory..