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teequal

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If I've posted too many threads, my apologies I am a bit obsessive with big decisions

TL;DR Advanced Science at UNSW or Science at USYD?

In the main round I'm going to be eligible for B Advanced Science (Hns) @ UNSW and B Science @ USYD
I've done my best to research the Majors I'm interested in (Physics and Chemistry) and the degree structure at each, however I'm not finding anything standing out enough to swing me either way. If I go to USYD I'd plan to transfer into the Advanced stream after first year so taking that into account and the fact that not much differs in first year if anything between advanced and regular science, I can't see any difference between the two, bar the automatic honours (appealing to me) and the fact that I need to actually go through the transfer process at USYD.

I've looked at each school's Talented Students Program, and they seem to claim the same things which are direct contact to researchers, an academic mentor, more flexibility and a few research tasks or internships if you work for it. I've heard Sydney has a better TSP but it looks like NSW has closed the gap? (happy to hear from students in this program at either uni)

As I want to pursue HDR through a PhD, both schools offer a direct transition for high performing honours students. However honours at USYD is capped I have been informed. I'd assume both universities offer a similar quality in their honours program however I've heard USYD has the edge in it's science degrees. Also I'm free to move between uni's postgrad, so If I do go down a path that either university cater's better too, I can ofcourse enrol at either one, and with the honours requirements being very similar at both uni's I'd assume the that acceptance in either with First class or Second Class A honours is easy.

I've heard grading at UNSW is more lenient, and that the cohort in science is slightly less competitive, which would give me a general leg up as good grades offer more opportunity and could mean a higher class of honours under the assumption I go that far which I hope to do. Can anyone speak on this?
As far as what units are offered, they both cater to my interests in physical chemistry, quantum physics, classical physics, relativity particle physics and astrophysics. Anyone who units in these fields at either uni, what is it like?
I think USYD is prettier, but I've heard UNSW's facilities are more modern and although don't have that rich aesthetic are more practical and just nicer. (not too educated here, tell me anything you know)
USYD is closer to me, but they are booth between an hour and an hour and a half so I mean it won't matter much at all.
Living costs are equally too high lol.
*insert asian joke @ UNSW*

Apparently USYD has better parties but I'm not a party person, however I do want to know which is friendlier and has a better sense of community on campus.

So UNSW perceived pros and cons
Pros:
No transfer needed + easier honours
Easier grading/less competition
More modern facilities
More friendly campus
Cons:
Slightly further to travel
Less international reputation/prestige
Slightly poorer teaching/research

USYD perceived pros and cons
Pros:
Pretty lol
Name recognition
Slightly better teaching and research
Slightly better TSP
Closer
Cons:
Need to get pretty good grades to transfer up
Need to apply and be accepted into honours
Harder grading/more competitive cohort
Not as modern

Tell me what you think, and yes I know I'll have a good experience at either but I will still need to make a choice.
If I got any assumptions wrong let me know and if you do or have done a B Science at either, share your thoughts.
 

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Good job on your research! I think you have a pretty good idea of the slight differences between the two universities on this matter.

I go to USYD, currently studying Bachelor of Science (Advanced Mathematics)/Bachelor of Arts, but I'm sure many UNSW students can contribute their experiences.

I've heard a lot of good things regarding TSP from my friends who are pursuing physics at USYD. During a semester, they work on a specific project and are assigned a mentor who specialises in that area of study. During semester 1, their project was demonstrated in a showcase, while during semester 2, they had a presentation instead. These projects get marked, and is recorded as a part of your academic transcript. There's also the Special Studies Program, which replaces your compulsory first year physics course. (Admission into SSP is either at least 92 in HSC physics or 80 in an advanced first-year physics unit.) It involves additional, more advanced topics during the semester, and you receive assignments which act as extra-credit to your usual physics marks. SSP for physics seems to run only for first-year, but TSP runs for all years. (I did SSP for maths, and that was definitely a highlight of my first year.)

Also, USYD seems to allow first-year students to receive summer research scholarships, whereas UNSW only takes students from second-year onwards. (A friend of mine received it without technically being in the SSP or TSP.)

I personally wouldn't suggest you to decide on the basis of grading. It's unreliable and varies from course to course.

Also, not sure how advanced majors work in UNSW, but it seems like that they require you to do more senior physics units as a part of an advanced science degree. At USYD, you aren't require to do any more courses than a standard physics major, but you're required to enrol into the advanced counterparts of physics units. This applies for any other advanced science major in USYD. This could potentially allow you to have more flexibility in choosing to study a second major if you like.

At UNSW, you're required to do general education units which can't be chosen from the science faculty. This isn't necessary at USYD, however the Bachelor of Science at USYD requires you to choose 4 first-year non-maths science courses that consist of at least two different areas of study. This was difficult for me because I'm a maths/statistics major, but for you this should be relatively easy. If you choose USYD, I'd recommend you to simply enrol into COSC1003 Computational Science (or the advanced counterpart COSC1903), and that should complete that requirement. (COSC1003 is run by the physics faculty, where you use programming to solve a wide range of scientific and mathematical problems.)

Good luck!
 

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