Uni Advice - UOW or fee pay UNSW? (1 Viewer)

[CrazyMystic]

As everyone knows, us Yr12's recently got our UAIs back. My UAI is 94.9 which is just below last year's cutoff for ANU Eco/Law at 95, which is my 1st preference. While I'm still holding out hope for it, hoping it may drop, and/or that they'll be convinced by my letter (ANU supposeably allows people slightly below the cut off if they are convinced of a "motivation to study law") I have begun to give more serious thought to the alternatives.

My two main alternatives, as stated from the title are either Com/Law at Wollongong (at 91 last year) or a fee paying place at UNSW Com/Law (at 94.15 last year).

Orginally I have nor thought much on the latter, but it has dawned on me that taking and paying for a fee place at UNSW might cost just as much asgoing to ANU, once I include living expenses. (I need Accomodation at ANU, while I can live at home at UNSW). With this in mind, UNSW is at least theoratically an option. My concerns however are about the people I will face there (Most of them got UAIs over 99! Compared to dumb old me lol) and the "stigma" that comes from doing fee-pay.

And then there is also the question of the 60000 FEE-HELP ( http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/F...Undergraduate/FullFeesAndFEE-HELP/Default.htm ) debt I would get once I graduate.

My other choice is Com/Law at Wollongong. Here the main question lies with the quality and "prestige" of the course, even though from research and anecdotal sources I've asked, I understand (If I look at it rationaly) UOW is a very good university. In terms of costs UOW would be much cheaper, since I csn get there from home, and I can get a CSP (Hecs) spot.

In case it might be useful, the Comm major I'll probably be interested in doing is Economics, particular with reference to Business. UNSW has a specific major for it "Business Strat and Econ Managment" ( http://www2.fce.unsw.edu.au/nps/ser...eritableArea&maxWnd=_Future_UG_BusStratEcoMgt ) while Wollongong has electives related to it.

So what to do? Any advice/opinions would be welcome. Thanks

 

[hfis]

I have never attended any law classes at UNSW or ANU, and thus am unable to give an objective ranking to those offered by UOW. However, I will say that in my experience so far, the resources, staff and subjects have all been of a high quality for me, and I really enjoy studying here. And, although I've never looked at it myself, if the university's highway sign is anything to go by, the Good Universities Guide has lots of good things to say about UOW too.

You have a fair point with the 'prestige' associated with the name; anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional. However, as many are quick to point out, a HD law student with first class honours from UNE will trounce a P student from USYD, so if you are prepared to put in the effort it doesn't amount to that much anyway.

 

[Benny1103]

People usually give good advice but just ignore the parts of their responses where they compare a P student to a HD student. Obviously such a comparison is pointless - do you really expect to be competing for a job against a P student? Whenever prestige comes into play, the only comparison that is even remotely worthwhile, is made between two students who have achieved equally high grades.

 

[Frigid]

in short, you're asking us to answer whether it is economically profitable to forgo around an extra $8000 per year of a 5-year degree, in order to leverage on the name of UNSW and gamble whether it will get you a better career.

of course, there are always other options, like stay in UoW or ANU, or transfer to UNSW after first year.

on the whole, however, each case rests upon its own facts. it is your investment of an extra $40-odd thousand dollars. if you can afford it and feel it is profitable, then go for it.

 

[neo o]

Orginally I have nor thought much on the latter, but it has dawned on me that taking and paying for a fee place at UNSW might cost just as much asgoing to ANU, once I include living expenses.

Accom is cheap. Around $130 pw x 40 + $60 x 40 for food and around an extra few thousand for union fees and textbooks which you'd pay anyway. Centrelink is more than enough to cover the rest - I know people who don't work because of social security .

 

[Wolfowitz]

As everyone knows, us Yr12's recently got our UAIs back. My UAI is 94.9 which is just below last year's cutoff for ANU Eco/Law at 95, which is my 1st preference. While I'm still holding out hope for it, hoping it may drop, and/or that they'll be convinced by my letter (ANU supposeably allows people slightly below the cut off if they are convinced of a "motivation to study law") I have begun to give more serious thought to the alternatives.

My two main alternatives, as stated from the title are either Com/Law at Wollongong (at 91 last year) or a fee paying place at UNSW Com/Law (at 94.15 last year).

Orginally I have nor thought much on the latter, but it has dawned on me that taking and paying for a fee place at UNSW might cost just as much asgoing to ANU, once I include living expenses. (I need Accomodation at ANU, while I can live at home at UNSW). With this in mind, UNSW is at least theoratically an option. My concerns however are about the people I will face there (Most of them got UAIs over 99! Compared to dumb old me lol) and the "stigma" that comes from doing fee-pay.

And then there is also the question of the 60000 FEE-HELP ( http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/F...Undergraduate/FullFeesAndFEE-HELP/Default.htm ) debt I would get once I graduate.

My other choice is Com/Law at Wollongong. Here the main question lies with the quality and "prestige" of the course, even though from research and anecdotal sources I've asked, I understand (If I look at it rationaly) UOW is a very good university. In terms of costs UOW would be much cheaper, since I csn get there from home, and I can get a CSP (Hecs) spot.

In case it might be useful, the Comm major I'll probably be interested in doing is Economics, particular with reference to Business. UNSW has a specific major for it "Business Strat and Econ Managment" ( http://www2.fce.unsw.edu.au/nps/ser...eritableArea&maxWnd=_Future_UG_BusStratEcoMgt ) while Wollongong has electives related to it.

So what to do? Any advice/opinions would be welcome. Thanks

People are also forgetting that you could get a late round offer; seeing how you're .1 off.

 

[erawamai]

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So what to do? Any advice/opinions would be welcome. Thanks

What are your subjects and marks?

 

[Frigid]

What are your subjects and marks?

hmmmmm... why would HSC marks be decisive in his decision?

 

[santaslayer]

People are also forgetting that you could get a late round offer; seeing how you're .1 off.

uhhh..Late Round for law is usually unattainable if you couldn't get in on the first instance.


No one knows you are a fee paying student if you don't tell them.
Go to UNSW.

 

[Frigid]

eek! santa! you are turning! =O

 

[santaslayer]

Not really.

Since this person has a shitload of money to fling around then I thought he/she might of wanted to go to UNSW anyway. I mean, any reasonable person would go to an alternative university for the first year and hope to attain the required marks to transfer to the preferred university. It is STILL law. This person is well aware of the pros and cons of UoW but still wanted to make a thread in search for answers. He/she already has an answer in mind. I agree with frigid. Go to UNSW if you wanna fling money carelessly.

The thread starter also believes that UNSW houses smarter students because of their 99-ishness. I thought a 80.00 was sufficent? It's not a good sign if you are intimidated by 99'ers so I thought I would offer this person to your uni instead frigid, since they don't seem to be the type to be able to reach their potential easily anyways. I also thought I would remind people that UoW has 99'ers everywhere as well, not that it reall matters. Ms 12 is a perfect BoS example.

He/She is also worried about the 'stigma' of being a full fee. Like, what the hell? He/She seems to be the type worried about face rather than doing a course for other more practical reasons.

Wollongong has an Economics major as well. I don't knoiw what you're talking about when you say it only has electives related to it.

For the above reasons I recommend UNSW over UoW.

In conclusion, I am not getting defensive, nor am I in a pissed off mood. More importantly, I have not 'turned'.

UoW 4LyfE.

 

[erawamai]

hmmmmm... why would HSC marks be decisive in his decision?

...because I'm an evil bastard. If he's one of those people who did no humanities I'll tell him to go to uwo. We don't need anymore chem/bio 4unit maths people doing law.

 

[hfis]

...because I'm an evil bastard. If he's one of those people who did no humanities I'll tell him to go to uwo. We don't need anymore chem/bio 4unit maths people doing law.

University Wollongong Of doesn't want them either

 

[Frigid]

i've just got a crazily good idea.

kill the combined commerce/law program, and only leave arts/science/eng etc law programs.

then you'd deter a lot of those "chem bio 4unit maths people doing law". hehehe.

if they want to have commerce and law under their belt, make them earn one as a graduate degree.

 

[charlie_charlie]

Imagine the UAI drop...

But what about those who truely passionate lawyers & passionate commerce-rs...like you Frigid? haha

 

[§eraphim]

As everyone knows, us Yr12's recently got our UAIs back. My UAI is 94.9 which is just below last year's cutoff for ANU Eco/Law at 95, which is my 1st preference. While I'm still holding out hope for it, hoping it may drop, and/or that they'll be convinced by my letter (ANU supposeably allows people slightly below the cut off if they are convinced of a "motivation to study law") I have begun to give more serious thought to the alternatives.

My two main alternatives, as stated from the title are either Com/Law at Wollongong (at 91 last year) or a fee paying place at UNSW Com/Law (at 94.15 last year).

Orginally I have nor thought much on the latter, but it has dawned on me that taking and paying for a fee place at UNSW might cost just as much asgoing to ANU, once I include living expenses. (I need Accomodation at ANU, while I can live at home at UNSW). With this in mind, UNSW is at least theoratically an option. My concerns however are about the people I will face there (Most of them got UAIs over 99! Compared to dumb old me lol) and the "stigma" that comes from doing fee-pay.

And then there is also the question of the 60000 FEE-HELP ( http://www.goingtouni.gov.au/Main/F...Undergraduate/FullFeesAndFEE-HELP/Default.htm ) debt I would get once I graduate.

My other choice is Com/Law at Wollongong. Here the main question lies with the quality and "prestige" of the course, even though from research and anecdotal sources I've asked, I understand (If I look at it rationaly) UOW is a very good university. In terms of costs UOW would be much cheaper, since I csn get there from home, and I can get a CSP (Hecs) spot.

In case it might be useful, the Comm major I'll probably be interested in doing is Economics, particular with reference to Business. UNSW has a specific major for it "Business Strat and Econ Managment" ( http://www2.fce.unsw.edu.au/nps/ser...eritableArea&maxWnd=_Future_UG_BusStratEcoMgt ) while Wollongong has electives related to it.

So what to do? Any advice/opinions would be welcome. Thanks

USyd BCom --> UNSW BCom/LLB?

 

[neo o]

Imagine the UAI drop...

But what about those who truely passionate lawyers & passionate commerce-rs...like you Frigid? haha

Frigid is a full time law student who just happens to do commerce.

 

[charlie_charlie]

Frigid is a full time law student who just happens to do commerce.

ah, so commerce is like a sudoku for him. something to do on the side.

 

[neo o]

ah, so commerce is like a sudoku for him. something to do on the side.

Indeed. Do you ever see anyone make empassioned posts about commerce?

 

[charlie_charlie]

Indeed. Do you ever see anyone make empassioned posts about commerce?

I don't frequent the commerce boards too regularly. I've heard a lot of people make empasionate posts about usyd commerce & unsw commerce...haha