Lose Marks for writing over lines? (1 Viewer)

[ChocoWarrior]

Hi
My Teachers at school always say, you have to be short and concise other wise you will lose marks (sciences). For the next exams coming up for physics and chemistry, the person making it said if you go over the lines by more than double you will lose a mark. He said he made the marking criteria like that. Is that allowed? In the HSC you dont lose marks for this. I asked 4 state rankers and they all said they went pages over. I generally always go over by quite a bit since i write fairly big and for Evaluate assess discuss verbs i generally pack a lot of info. If i lose marks in the coming up tests, and if the teacher doesn't budge am i allowed to go see the principle or something, cause the marking is HSC Standard?
On another note, are they allowed to make up stupid marking criteria? e.g. what type of reaction does hydrogenation represent and write a balanced equation 2 marks. I wrote addition reaction and a normal equation. But i only got 1 mark, because the marking criteria stated i also needed a structural equation EVEN though it didn't say it in the question.
Are they allowed to do that?
Thanks!

 

[RealiseNothing]

They do mark you on how concise you are don't they? Which basically relates to how much you write.

 

[Spiritual Being]

They do mark you on how concise you are don't they? Which basically relates to how much you write.

Yes, though what if someone has big writing and goes over the lines in that manner? They may be told they are not concise, whereas the same information could have been crammed in the lines by a smaller writer, and they are commended for being concise...

 

[RealiseNothing]

Yes, though what if someone has big writing and goes over the lines in that manner? They may be told they are not concise, whereas the same information could have been crammed in the lines by a smaller writer, and they are commended for being concise...

~HSC science~

 

[someth1ng]

They do NOT mark on "concise".

The marking schemes usually say something like "Demonstrates coherence and logical progression of ideas with correct scientific terminology used".

Hi
My Teachers at school always say, you have to be short and concise other wise you will lose marks (sciences). For the next exams coming up for physics and chemistry, the person making it said if you go over the lines by more than double you will lose a mark. He said he made the marking criteria like that. Is that allowed? In the HSC you dont lose marks for this. I asked 4 state rankers and they all said they went pages over. I generally always go over by quite a bit since i write fairly big and for Evaluate assess discuss verbs i generally pack a lot of info. If i lose marks in the coming up tests, and if the teacher doesn't budge am i allowed to go see the principle or something, cause the marking is HSC Standard?
On another note, are they allowed to make up stupid marking criteria? e.g. what type of reaction does hydrogenation represent and write a balanced equation 2 marks. I wrote addition reaction and a normal equation. But i only got 1 mark, because the marking criteria stated i also needed a structural equation EVEN though it didn't say it in the question.
Are they allowed to do that?
Thanks!

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.
3. Yes.
4. Correct.
5. Packing a lot of info isn't necessarily good - it MUST be relevant to the question, you can lose around 3/6 marks for that.
6. You CAN talk to the principal but odds are nothing will happen.
7. Regular occurrence in HSC.
8. A lot of things in HSC don't NEED to be stated in the question.

 

[Makematics]

i would recommend sorting it out beforehand, the staff will be extremely hesitant to change their minds after marking has been completed. and if your science staff are as stubborn as they are at my school, you're not gonna have a good time (insert south park skiing meme LOL).

 

[ChocoWarrior]

Yea when i said i pack in a lot of info i meant relevant to the question. because for larger order verbs i do a statment, then describe the process or what ever, followed by adv's and disadv's then criteria and or judgment depending on type of verb. This takes up quite a bit of space. Also i know a lot of things dont need to be said in the HSC BUT in those questions you can predict what you would need, the question my school gives you cant predict you would need that item.

 

[normslot]

Previous comments are on the right track. You do not lose marks in HSC for writing 'outside the lines'. Your teacher is probably trying to reinforce the idea of being concise and relevant by including this in the marking guidelines but this is DEFINITELY not valid in my opinion ( experienced educator). HSC markers go to great lengths to give candidates credit for all they have written. Candidates can ask for extra booklets to continue an answer....make sure it is clearly labelled on your exam paper that you have continued your answer on separate paper.....clerical staff at exam centre photocopy the extra and attach it to your paper.
The 'mystery' marking guidelines for the hydrogenation question is ludicrous!! Were you shown those guidelines beforehand?...I doubt it.
"Are they allowed to do that?" You (ie your PARENTS) need to question the validity of the assessment procedure with the Principal who is, in the end responsible, for what goes on in the classrooms and should be the expert at your school on assessment procedures. Failing that contact the Board of Studies Liaison Officer in your school's area. They are only too happy to clarify these matters. Be aware that a vast majority of teachers do not do HSC marking and have misconceptions.

 

[Elisa Sweet]

Writing too much over the lines might, but I've always been told you can write a bit over if you need to. I always do, anyways.