Five teens die in worst smash ever seen (2 Viewers)

[PrinceHarry]

Five of six teenagers crowded into a car died when the P-plate driver lost control and smashed into a tree at 140km/h, in a crash emergency workers said was the worst they had seen.
The horror crash in Melbourne's north in the early hours of Sunday also left a 15-year-old girl seriously injured.
Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Tim Cartwright said the driver of the Ford XR6 sedan carrying six people from a party in Ivanhoe about 1.50am (AEDT) lost control on Plenty Road, Mill Park, in perfect conditions.

Those killed included driver Steve Johnstone, 19, and his half-brother Will Te-Whare, 15, both of South Morang.
Ben Hall, 19, and Matt Lister, 17, also of South Morang, were killed.
The injured girl, Elissa Iannetta, lost her 18-year-old brother, Anthony, in the accident.

Ben Hall's father Mark said there should be more restrictions on what kind of cars young people could drive.

I would like to tell Mr Hall that we dont need any more restriction.

Five teens die in worst smash ever seen

 

[Planck]

Cars outlawed

 

[Azamakumar]

jesus fucking christ that kids dad should blow his brains out
he's the one accountable for bringing up a deadshit, not everyone else in the state taht wants a licence

 

[Azamakumar]

seriously 6 people
this is going to be a politicians field day

 

[Planck]

super seat belts

50 speed limits for p platers

0.5 p platers per car

 

[Planck]

20 km travel allowance for pp laters per day tracked by gps

super sneaker cars

one cop per p plater car in back seat watching

 

[Azamakumar]

Here come the knee-jerk reactions. Being in VIC, my guess is that they will bring in NSW-style car restrictions. Sigh.

they do already, actually. 150kw/tonne, in line with the motorcycle lams scheme. Reckon he bought it himself, being a 3rd year apprentice and all. It's funny that every time something like this happens they're quick to realise how ineffective policy is, but instead say they laws aren't harsh enough as opposed to downright counterproductive.

Genuinely feel bad for the passengers' families.

 

[terminator69]

How did they know the car was doing 140km/h?

 

[Kwayera]

My mate lives nearby and drove past the accident not long after it happened :s His sister was drinking with the driver not half an hour before it happened.

Fucking waste.

 

[philphie]

burn all trees

 

[Teclis]

I would like to tell Mr Hall that we dont need any more restriction.

they do already, actually. 150kw/tonne, in line with the motorcycle lams scheme. Reckon he bought it himself, being a 3rd year apprentice and all. It's funny that every time something like this happens they're quick to realise how ineffective policy is, but instead say they laws aren't harsh enough as opposed to downright counterproductive.

But then again... When you think about it, no one, not even a full licenced driver really needs that kind of power...

I sometime drive my mothers work car, a Toyota Aurion Prodigy... That's like a 2 Tonne car and has about a 200Kw engine... and the power in that car is ridiculous... 100Kw a Tonne is more that enough.... you're cruising at 120km/h at like 2000rpm up a hill

And it's not even near the legal limit per tonnage.

Unless you're working in a profession or trade that needs something like a V8 Ute for lifting heavy equipment, there is NO-ONE who should have cars this powered. You need special licences for bigger and bigger vehicles. Why not licences for higher power cars?

 

[Riet]

Aurions don't weigh 2 tonnes brosef. An XR6 is no more powerful than a standard falcon. If they banned them from P platers the Aurion would be too. It's irrelevant though, a corolla with 70 kW/tonne can do 140.

 

[SylviaB]

L-platers will need 240 hours experience before getting p's.

is what will probably happen.

 

[murphyad]

But then again... When you think about it, no one, not even a full licenced driver really needs that kind of power...

[...]

Unless you're working in a profession or trade that needs something like a V8 Ute for lifting heavy equipment, there is NO-ONE who should have cars this powered. You need special licences for bigger and bigger vehicles. Why not licences for higher power cars?

Yeah but like Riet said, even some shitbox Daihatsu Charade could hit 140 if the driver was really pushing it - and a crash at that speed, in that car, would be even more serious.

The problem is that while car performance has rapidly increased in the past 30-40 years, driver training has not kept pace. Most modern hatchbacks could smoke the MG's and Jags that your granddad used to crow about, but driver training in Australia does not prepare people for the performance potential of many modern cars, as well as emergency situations on the road. Therefore, what we need is not the excessive bureaucracy that a convoluted power-based licensing system epitomises, but proper driver training.

140 km/h is a perfectly acceptable speed to drive at. This is true because it is done on a daily basis in many countries around the world, and even in Australia up until 2007. Instead of imposing ever tougher sanctions, we should be upgrading freeways to be capable of higher speeds, as well as properly educating young drivers about when it is appropriate to drive quickly (ie not with 6 people on board in a 5 seat car and in suburban streets etc. etc.). Good driving culture will not be delivered by double demerits.

 

[William kamel]

Yeah but like Riet said, even some shitbox Daihatsu Charade could hit 140 if the driver was really pushing it - and a crash at that speed, in that car, would be even more serious.

The problem is that while car performance has rapidly increased in the past 30-40 years, driver training has not kept pace. Most modern hatchbacks could smoke the MG's and Jags that your granddad used to crow about, but driver training in Australia does not prepare people for the performance potential of many modern cars, as well as emergency situations on the road. Therefore, what we need is not the excessive bureaucracy that a convoluted power-based licensing system epitomises, but proper driver training.

140 km/h is a perfectly acceptable speed to drive at. This is true because it is done on a daily basis in many countries around the world, and even in Australia up until 2007. Instead of imposing ever tougher sanctions, we should be upgrading freeways to be capable of higher speeds, as well as properly educating young drivers about when it is appropriate to drive quickly (ie not with 6 people on board in a 5 seat car and in suburban streets etc. etc.). Good driving culture will not be delivered by double demerits.

140km/hr acceptable?????? that's bloody crazy and you know it. A car's bloody hard to control even at 120km/hr, let alone 140km/hr.

 

[Serius]

Mark;s kid kills himself and four others driving at wreckless speeds in an overloaded car.

Mark, instead of realizing his son was a deadbeat who was driving wrecklessly at high speeds, decides to blame the type of car he was driving instead....lets not forget here that he was driving at 140kmph and that is what killed them, just about any car can reach that speed in good conditions.

Very tragic, and its also sad that this accident might be used to further restrict P platers, instead of just passing it off as one [probably drunk] idiot driving around 5 of his foolish friends at high speeds.

 

[Planck]

L platers will have to do infinite hours because you can't guard against this shit


Hey guys the government has made crashing cars illegal, now the road toll will be zero!

 

[Planck]

Also am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck when a bunch of bogans write themselves off?

Victorian bogans no less? Wow a few less dole bludgers in society, oh no!

 

[Kwayera]

140 km/h is a perfectly acceptable speed to drive at. This is true because it is done on a daily basis in many countries around the world, and even in Australia up until 2007. Instead of imposing ever tougher sanctions, we should be upgrading freeways to be capable of higher speeds, as well as properly educating young drivers about when it is appropriate to drive quickly (ie not with 6 people on board in a 5 seat car and in suburban streets etc. etc.). Good driving culture will not be delivered by double demerits.

It's funny, until recently there was no speed limit on the highways in the Northern Territory. None. Zip. Then they set a 130km/h limit and what happened? The number of speed-related accidents went up.

 

[loquasagacious]

140km/hr acceptable?????? that's bloody crazy and you know it. A car's bloody hard to control even at 120km/hr, let alone 140km/hr.

If you can't control a car at 120 then you should not be driving. Last time I checked I could do 140 from Canberra to Sydney using only my pinky to control the car.