Do you support the U.S. setting a timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq? (2 Viewers)

[bm86]

Do you support or oppose the U.S. setting a timetable for withdrawal of troops from Iraq?

 

[Atilla89]

As soon as the date comes for the US to leave, every single terrorist will start celebrating. Then Iraq will degenerate into an even worse civil war then it is now.

The US should stay until the job is done and then get out.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Unsure.

On one hand, setting up the timetable would get the troops out quicker, leading to less coalition death and perhaps less Iraqi death.
On the other hand, not setting up the timetable would leave them there, leading to more coalition death and definately more Iraqi death (although probably to a lesser degree).

Oh the pain. How sweet would life be had the coalition of our beloved world leaders not invaded Iraq in the first place. Hold our leaders accountable, ladies and gents.

 

[Gilbert1]

Doesn't matter. Whatever date is set, it will be broken and delayed

 

[Ennaybur]

you're right.

what could possibly make us believe the US would go against what they originally set out?

'mission accomplished'

when questioned, all bush could say was "that was the flight"...



so many troops are getting killed, not to mention the poor iraqis as well.
why the hell did they go to america in the first place?

THERE WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

anyone who supports the war is a freaking idiot.

I disagree with the war in Iraq, but please make thoughtful, considerate posts before you make blanket, idiotic statements that reflect poorly on others whose views you support.

There are obviously reasons why we went to war, and whilst they might be misguided or disagreeable, the people that hold those views are very often intelligent people.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

As soon as the date comes for the US to leave, every single terrorist will start celebrating. Then Iraq will degenerate into an even worse civil war then it is now.

The US should stay until the job is done and then get out.

I don't support a timetable for withdrawal... but I do support just leaving without a timetable. They should just pack up and get out of there right now.

The 'job' will never be done. Too many people in Iraq are against it. They would essentially have to stay there permanently. It seems to me that plenty of Iraqi's want a civil war... so let them have it. This should not be a peacekeeping mission. The threat to America (and all other Western countries) is gone so its time to go. If it does turn into a terrorist sanctuary go back in and blow shit up and then leave again.

 

[Iron]

Im persuaded that a timetable would force leaders to find political solutions to the sectarian violence, which is what's essentially needed.
But it's doubtful that this is a favourable outcome for Iraqis, regional stability, or American global clout. However there's no such thing as a good outcome anymore.

An Obama/Clinton presidency +Gordon Brown/Rudd PMship should rebuild western moral authority by seriously backing the tough reforms needed to minimize climate change impact.

 

[Iron]

Well the war on terrorism has drained and distracted public/political attention away from the major crisis humanity has ever faced. This war is nothing compared to it, therefore the quicker it's done, the better

 

[Iron]

You bet it's hysterial. This fucking dwarfs the mass effort and will of World War II. That war could not have been won if we were all Frenchy apathetic cynical dissillusioned whimps. It needed guts and sacrifice and a willingness to fight.
Iraq has seriously gutted faith in government. The will to fight this has been seriously compromised

 

[banco55]

Im persuaded that a timetable would force leaders to find political solutions to the sectarian violence, which is what's essentially needed.
But it's doubtful that this is a favourable outcome for Iraqis, regional stability, or American global clout. However there's no such thing as a good outcome anymore.

An Obama/Clinton presidency +Gordon Brown/Rudd PMship should rebuild western moral authority by seriously backing the tough reforms needed to minimize climate change impact.

LOL at those whackjobs finding a peaceful solution. You're forgetting the rules for dealing with Arabs:

Rule 6: In the Middle East, the extremists go all the way, and the moderates tend to just go away.

Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas * like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. It’s the South vs. the South.

Rule 9: In Middle East tribal politics there is rarely a happy medium. When one side is weak, it will tell you, “I’m weak, how can I compromise?” And when it’s strong, it will tell you, “I’m strong, why should I compromise?”

Rule 10: Middle East civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; b) like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam Hussein used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is America. If America doesn’t want to play that role, Iraq’s civil war will end with A or B

http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=3591

 

[onebytwo]

As soon as the date comes for the US to leave, every single terrorist will start celebrating.

telling them now or tomorrow, but organising a party with a few mates and beers doesnt take too long

Then Iraq will degenerate into an even worse civil war then it is now.

why?

The US should stay until the job is done and then get out.

what job? and how is it to be finished?

 

[Iron]

Im not offering any solution to the war, except a deadline. Every day this war continues is a day where the public willingnes to believe that their elected representative are acting in their best interests dies a little.

 

[banco55]

As soon as the date comes for the US to leave, every single terrorist will start celebrating. Then Iraq will degenerate into an even worse civil war then it is now.

The US should stay until the job is done and then get out.

What if the job is undoable?

 

[Ennaybur]

Why was brogan's post deleted? It doesn't matter whether one agrees with it or not, but he wasn't flaming or trolling.

 

[Atilla89]

telling them now or tomorrow, but organising a party with a few mates and beers doesnt take too long
why?

what job? and how is it to be finished?

Not sure about your first statement as it doesn't really make sense. To the second one, the only force that is stopping the Shiites and Sunnis from going even more all out is the coalition force. If the Coalition left then I can garuntee you that there will be further Iraqi deaths. The job that the Coalition needs to do is properly equip the Iraqi Army until it can take on the insurgents/terrorists. Then the Coalition can leave knowing that the situation should be more or less under control. If they leave know or set a timetable all that the insurgents would do is wait until that deadline and then start to attack.

The job is doable, all it takes is time.

 

[banco55]

Not sure about your first statement as it doesn't really make sense. To the second one, the only force that is stopping the Shiites and Sunnis from going even more all out is the coalition force. If the Coalition left then I can garuntee you that there will be further Iraqi deaths. The job that the Coalition needs to do is properly equip the Iraqi Army until it can take on the insurgents/terrorists. Then the Coalition can leave knowing that the situation should be more or less under control. If they leave know or set a timetable all that the insurgents would do is wait until that deadline and then start to attack.

The job is doable, all it takes is time.

Train and equip the army to do what? Shoot AK47's? If you think the army is going to hold together as some kind of neutral arbiter when the americans leave you are crazy. You can't train them to forget all their tribal/secterian bullshit.

 

[onebytwo]

Not sure about your first statement as it doesn't really make sense. To the second one, the only force that is stopping the Shiites and Sunnis from going even more all out is the coalition force. If the Coalition left then I can garuntee you that there will be further Iraqi deaths. The job that the Coalition needs to do is properly equip the Iraqi Army until it can take on the insurgents/terrorists. Then the Coalition can leave knowing that the situation should be more or less under control. If they leave know or set a timetable all that the insurgents would do is wait until that deadline and then start to attack.

The job is doable, all it takes is time.

so the most powerful military might the world has ever seen (america) has taken more than 4 years to try to restore order and have obviously failed miserably, yet you want people to believe that the iraqi army are going to somehow make everything right. i sincerely hope youre joking

 

[Josie]

Not sure about your first statement as it doesn't really make sense. To the second one, the only force that is stopping the Shiites and Sunnis from going even more all out is the coalition force. If the Coalition left then I can garuntee you that there will be further Iraqi deaths. The job that the Coalition needs to do is properly equip the Iraqi Army until it can take on the insurgents/terrorists. Then the Coalition can leave knowing that the situation should be more or less under control. If they leave know or set a timetable all that the insurgents would do is wait until that deadline and then start to attack.

The job is doable, all it takes is time.

You're contradicting your own statement.

If there is nothing stopping them from tearing each other apart, how is the united states training them to use (and giving them) weapons going to solve anything. America "finishes the job", leaves the country, Iraq blows itself up. Success.

 

[HotShot]

You're contradicting your own statement.

If there is nothing stopping them from tearing each other apart, how is the united states training them to use (and giving them) weapons going to solve anything. America "finishes the job", leaves the country, Iraq blows itself up. Success.

Iraq wont blow itself up if America leaves. It could be a good thing - a new Saddam may arise. OR it could be bad thing and the Taliban will take over.

Or the Americans can stay and get killed suffer the consequences of war and finish what they started.

An American withdrawal - will admit defeat and the world will LAUGH at America's failure particularly their south American 'allies' and their North Korean 'friends'.

Lets not forget the Russians..

 

[withoutaface]

I'm becoming more and more inclined to just support complete and immediate withdrawal, leave the Arabs to destroy themselves.