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[coolcat6778]

Internal assessments are very biased and should be scrapped

 

[melanie_o]

Internal assessments are very biased and should be scrapped

I agree. Not all assessments are like trial exams. It would be better if it is just down to an external exam, or if ranks only come from trial exams alone.

 

[coolcat6778]

I agree. Not all assessments are like trial exams. It would be better if it is just down to an external exam, or if ranks only come from trial exams alone.

Even with trial exams, that still presents bias. The teacher can fucking see your name or recognizes your handwriting. They subconsciously think you are inferior and mark accordingly to their inherent bias. (Don't reply to this if you disagree, we know you're a teacher's pet and enjoy their dick). Literally nobody got a band 6 in biology, chemistry or english advanced in my school, which is reflective of absolutely awful garbage reprehensive teachers.

The purpose of the HSC is to rank people on a state (technically federal) level for entrance into uni. The fairest way to rank people is external examinations marked on the same basis.

 

[melanie_o]

Even with trial exams, that still presents bias. The teacher can fucking see your name or recognizes your handwriting. They subconsciously think you are inferior and mark accordingly to their inherent bias. (Don't reply to this if you disagree, we know you're a teacher's pet and enjoy their dick). Literally nobody got a band 6 in biology, chemistry or english advanced in my school, which is reflective of absolutely awful garbage reprehensive teachers.

The purpose of the HSC is to rank people for entrance into uni. The fairest way to rank people is external examinations marked on the same basis.

True. I do hope it can become more equitable over time.

 

[bigupsanky]

matter of fact screw exams in general everyone should be allowed to unsw and usyd and unimelb and unis like wsu and acu and uts should merge with the top unis or get banned!!!

 

[Study to success]

matter of fact screw exams in general everyone should be allowed to unsw and usyd and unimelb and unis like wsu and acu and uts should merge with the top unis or get banned!!!

Yess preach

 

[lunaaaa4403]

'change my view' and it's the only agreeable view you've ever had

 

[jane1820]

we should be like america, they only do SATs for entry into uni
so its not forced upon everyone who wants to graudate or whatever only if you wanna go univeristy
[also they're very easy so we should have that ]

 

[coolcat6778]

we should be like america, they only do SATs for entry into uni
so its not forced upon everyone who wants to graudate or whatever only if you wanna go univeristy
[also they're very easy so we should have that ]

nope thank god were not like the US.
SAT is piss garbage, and thank god we don't have to do extracurriculars, personal essays and other bs to get in.

Their admission system is infinitely more subjective, where they even use human beings to decide your fate by either accepting or declining your application even with stellar test results.

Australia has the best uni admission system in the whole wide world, it's only flaw is internal exams and not being able to get your actual mark if the shit school ranked you too low unfairly.

 

[coolcat6778]

Argument FOR internal assessments:
- you make kids pay attention and attend class (why is that even important?)

Arguments AGAINST:
- you make school more stressful
- you cause people to skip even more classes since they have to study for an internal (nice logic, retards)

 

[Trebla]

So many people here talk about stuffing up internal assessments and trying to find ways to come back from it.

So are you all happy to put 100% weight on one external exam, which tests a limited scope of the entire syllabus (there’s only so much you can stuff into a 2-3hr paper) and with no way of coming back from it if you mess it up?

 

[coolcat6778]

So many people here talk about stuffing up internal assessments and trying to find ways to come back from it.

So are you all happy to put 100% weight in an external exam, which tests a limited scope of the entire syllabus (there’s only so much you can stuff into a 2-3hr paper) and with no way of coming back from it if you mess it up?

yes, because I expect to know the entire syllabus at the end after not having to deal with writing pointless internal essays and science reports and stupid math assignments.

HSC isn't uni, nor is it suppose to replicate the assessment style of uni. HSC is suppose to RANK people for uni. HSC is suppose to rank how booksmart you are. Trying to be a jack of all trades but master of none by including subjective internals just ruins it.

Also external exams testing the entire syllabus is not unheard of... for example, A Level does it where they sit like 8 hours of EXTERNAL papers in total for one subject

 

[Study to success]

we should be like america, they only do SATs for entry into uni
so its not forced upon everyone who wants to graudate or whatever only if you wanna go univeristy
[also they're very easy so we should have that ]

ikr I'd rather had that. And honestly I would rather do the extra curricular stuff cause that's easier for me than getting a high atar cause I actually get to do stuff I enjoy, I am good at and possibly useful extra curricular that will actually help me in the future

 

[Tony Stark]

I think maybe we can do practice tests and that can count towards internal marks. Like at the end of every module or at the end of every term we can do a test of what we have learned so far (this will also standardise the minimum rate at which we should learn things). English is the most subjective subject because certain teachers prefer certain styles of writing, so marks differ based on the teacher that marks the test. A different way is if the tests we do are digitised (text recognition has come a long way) and marked as a computer text font.

 

[Study to success]

So many people here talk about stuffing up internal assessments and trying to find ways to come back from it.

So are you all happy to put 100% weight on one external exam, which tests a limited scope of the entire syllabus (there’s only so much you can stuff into a 2-3hr paper) and with no way of coming back from it if you mess it up?

true but lowkey I'd rather get it over and done with at once rather than have the pressure drag on for the whole year.

 

[lunaaaa4403]

So many people here talk about stuffing up internal assessments and trying to find ways to come back from it.

So are you all happy to put 100% weight on one external exam, which tests a limited scope of the entire syllabus (there’s only so much you can stuff into a 2-3hr paper) and with no way of coming back from it if you mess it up?

no literally. wait why are u on here

 

[lunaaaa4403]

all hand-ins would be sm better bc ppl will actually have to start thinking critically instead of memorising shit

 

[Study to success]

all hand-ins would be sm better bc ppl will actually have to start thinking critically instead of memorising shit

yess I'd love that. But at the same time there's more of a chance of people cheating using ai, asking other people to do it for them tho

 

[coolcat6778]

all hand-ins would be sm better bc ppl will actually have to start thinking critically instead of memorising shit

pretty sure in math exams u have to think critically, unlike hand ins, where i can just ask chatgpt and boom.

 

[killer queen]

honestly based take

It's a bit of a double edged sword I suppose, I understand the need for internal exams but personally I think they could be treated better
As you say internal ranks can really screw stuff up, there are some assessments that I swear only exist to mess with the ranks
I think the whole point of internals mattering is so that if someone fudges the final exam, NESA can be like "look this kid was doing really well up until now, it was just unfortunate circumstances"
The funny thing about that argument though is moderation means that if the highest and/or lowest person makes a mistake, it negatively affects the whole cohort - an unintended side-effect of the way they try to compare schools

honestly the best way to probably mitigate this would be a series of shorter state-run exams throughout the year that are weighted lighter yet are still marked externally, this way the inherent bias is less present, you get many practice runs for the final exam, but you still get the 'safety net' of internals
this is just my random thoughts though there are probably many issues with this idea, one being stress

personally I think exams throughout the year are a good thing if only because it pressures people into studying instead of cramming last minute

It does annoy me that teachers can recognise handwriting because then where's my anonymity, there's a teacher I swear has it out for my writing ahahaha

also this is like the second time ever I've seen Trebla like actually comment on a post

all hand-ins would be sm better bc ppl will actually have to start thinking critically instead of memorising shit

unfortunately in the age of AI this is very unlikely...would be better to reform syllabus to encourage actual critical-thinking - this is the reason why so many of us love our maths/science, it feels less memorisation based
I for example enjoy English short-answer and English extension because I felt they actually tested my ability in the subject
I had a whole other rant about what I thought a better adv eng structure would look like but that' for another day