Bonded Medical Places (1 Viewer)

[Rach_10]

Has anyone here signed the contract for a bonded medical place or know anyone who has? I've been reading it over the past few days and it sounds intimidating - the consequences if part way through the course your circumstances change, also the publications from various medical associations don't seem to support it.

Does anyone here know more about it? I'm trying to figure out whether or not to sign it, 22 years is a long time when you're only 18...

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Umm Lexicographer knows the BMP details back to front

it is intimidating.. but sometimes its ure only chance at medical school.. but look up the areas.. lik the RRMA 2-3 and see if u are willing

 

[sikeveo]

Not really, do a search and you'll see instances of that. He thought training during Med school counts.

 

[funnybunny]

hey,
well..i got a bonded place and i signed it without really reading the whole thing....it's not as if im goin 2 decline the offer so wats the point of getting "legal advice"....
besides, it says that if u specialise as a GP then you should be able to work in Katoomba, Richmond,- both places i wouldnt mind working in.
anyway, on open day, the dean said that if you specialise in say, cardiology, then you can work in places such as liverpool... so it really depends on what you specialise in ..

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Not really, do a search and you'll see instances of that. He thought training during Med school counts.

no that was supposed to be possible at the time.. cos i remember the AMSA ppl wanted it too to reduce bond time

So it says you must commit to work in Australia for 22 years?

no u commit to work 6 yrs

 

[sikeveo]

hey,
well..i got a bonded place and i signed it without really reading the whole thing....it's not as if im goin 2 decline the offer so wats the point of getting "legal advice"....
besides, it says that if u specialise as a GP then you should be able to work in Katoomba, Richmond,- both places i wouldnt mind working in.
anyway, on open day, the dean said that if you specialise in say, cardiology, then you can work in places such as liverpool... so it really depends on what you specialise in ..

you got bonded with 99.9?

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

ouch

but i guess at least he got in

 

[funnybunny]

yea..stuffed the umat but got in through the interview

 

[Kazzzzz]

i know several people who didn't make med with 99.9 and 99.95.
sometimes i've got to question the faculty... they take in some people who are irresponsible and unempathetic at all, while refusing to take in those who are responsible, hardworking and diligent.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

i know several people who didn't make med with 99.9 and 99.95.
sometimes i've got to question the faculty... they take in some people who are irresponsible and unempathetic at all, while refusing to take in those who are responsible, hardworking and diligent.

how have you come to your conclusion?

From my personal experience 99.9 and 99.95 and even 100 does not always make a person - more responsible, hardworking and diligent or even more empathetic.

Commonly they have a good memory and are very naturally bright at piecing things together.

Also academically whats the difference between ppl with 99.xx and 100?

Honestly i think ppl with 92.xx are as good if not better than a person with 99+ from uni results and uni is a better separator of people's abilities to be responsible and hardworking but that's what i experienced

 

[funnybunny]

I agree with pointdexter, getting over 99 does not neccessarily mean that one is responsible or emphathetic , though it has some say on how hard working or diligent you are. However though i'll get attacked from many people for saying this, people should question when students with uai/ENTERs less than 95 get in to some medical schools. The question arises whether they can cope with the workload of medicine.
"Honestly i think ppl with 92.xx are as good if not better than a person with 99+" Talking about the majority of uni students, i think this is not the case.

 

[Kazzzzz]

I apologise for the confusion. The comments i made above are two separate comments. The first comment referred to what sikeveo and +Po1ntDeXt3r+ mentioned in earlier posts. The second was my opinion towards the medical faculty. While you presumed that I was making one comment in one post, I actually intended to make 2 points in 1 post. I did not intend to refer to the 99.9+ people as responsible, hardworking and diligent. In fact some of these "irresponsible and unempathetic" people belong to the 99.90+ range.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

However though i'll get attacked from many people for saying this, people should question when students with uai/ENTERs less than 95 get in to some medical schools. The question arises whether they can cope with the workload of medicine.
"Honestly i think ppl with 92.xx are as good if not better than a person with 99+" Talking about the majority of uni students, i think this is not the case.

Firstly all schools have taken people in with both 99+ and 95 and below.. notably some rural entrance students.... and trust me they succeed..

I think the key issue i think of is this.. whether u get into med school with watever mark.. u will FAIL if you do not do the work.. u just cant rest on ure past laurels..

I have seen ppl fail with every UAI.. even when the cutoff was 99.5+ in all states ..ppl failed... not relative to their 'high achieving' grades but relative to the outcome of the courses... these have stayed very similar at schools

UAI can be poor predictor of 5-6 yrs ... why? cos its a sample over 1 yr.. have a poor yr and ure fucked.. rote learning isnt what medicine is about anymore... that will win u a quiz show..

UAI will boost ure ego but ure workskills are still questionable..
Kazzzzz is right ppl in med need to be responsible, hardworking, empathetic, responsible and diligent.
id also add most ppl need to switch-off the ego.. cos it gets torn down eventually just hope its prior to their mental breakdown.

funnybunny:

why choose 95+ as a cutoff?... not everyone in grad-entry med gets that.. and newcastle havent realli had problems... nor do UNSW rural entry.. unless u think they are sub-par students?

Do u honestly think that?

 

[mervvyn]

Has anyone here signed the contract for a bonded medical place or know anyone who has? I've been reading it over the past few days and it sounds intimidating - the consequences if part way through the course your circumstances change, also the publications from various medical associations don't seem to support it.

Does anyone here know more about it? I'm trying to figure out whether or not to sign it, 22 years is a long time when you're only 18...

Back to the original question, I signed the BMP agreement, but not straight away. It's a bit of dodgy policy on the Government's behalf, but we can't really do anthing about that atm. As far as the agreement goes, it really depends what you make of it. You still get to choose your specialty and where you work (limited to a degree obviously, but there is a fairly good range of places to choose from). Plus you do a minimum 6 mth stint of rural training in most fellowships, and you can count up to 3 years of rural training towards the bond. Also, most people agree that you learn a lot doing rural medicine in both personal and medical ways.
That said, if you're a born and bred city person, moving away for that period of time could be hard, especially if you meet someone who doesn't want to leave the city.
The bonding has doesn't make any difference to your medical education and career until you start your fellowship training. Also note that most unis bond a few more people than they need to and then release a few once they have ensured they have their minimum number as specified by the fed govt. It's around 1/5 -1/6 of all HECS places at unsw, so it's no small proportion.

 

[funnybunny]

i think ppl with 99.9+ UAIs fail med not primarily because they cannot handle the workload or it's a different learning style, but it's because they do not hav a genuine interest in medicine...and therefore do not really put an effort into it.
similarly, ppl with 95ish UAIs finish med school because they do have a genuine interest in medicine and put a lot of effort into their studies.

....it's quite ridiculous on ur part 2 imply that i think ppl with <95 uais are "sub-par students" when it comes to uni...not everyone who has good work/life skills can become doctors, so they do have to put a cut-off in place....

anyway..bak 2 the topic..... does any1 know where exactly u can get a list places in shortage of specialiites other than GP?

 

[Frigid]

i received a bonded offer from UNCLE, and didn't accept it because of the reasons already stated...

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

....it's quite ridiculous on ur part 2 imply that i think ppl with <95 uais are "sub-par students" when it comes to uni...not everyone who has good work/life skills can become doctors, so they do have to put a cut-off in place....

no you implied it with your comments about 95 being the cutoff... i merely asked why you chose 95?
cos frankly i dun think ure wrong.. i just think its somewhat a generalisation where u think the UAI always works..
i mean i didnt get 95 or less but ppl in med with far less... and they have the right not for u to feel they are less than capable... good example where the UAI fails.. Lexicographer

anyways.. wait and see

.... does any1 know where exactly u can get a list places in shortage of specialiites other than GP?

atm RRMA 2 which is more for specialty is Geelong VIC, Queanbeyan NSW, Newcastle NSW, Townsville QLD, Gold Coast QLD.... this will change with more medical graduates and population growth over the next 5 yrs..

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/health-workforce-bmp-rrma.htm
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/publishing.nsf/Content/health-workforce-bmp-rrma.htm/$FILE/rrma3map.pdf

problem with your question is ... it depends on ure specialty.. some places are just soo much more short of certain specialties like obsterics than say general surgery

Frigid: I thought it was cos.. u liked Law?

 

[Lexicographer]

Funnybunny, no more beating around the bush.

Shut up now, before you look even more retarded.

You haven't even STARTED medicine yet, and already you're talking about how people fail for this and that reason, or those with UAI < 95 may not be capable to handle the load. Where are you pulling this from? Don't even think about telling people things unless you have the knowledge and experience to back it up.

 

[funnybunny]

"Shut up now, before you look even more retarded." Unlike Pointdexter who sufficiently supports his arguments, you are just replying senselessly.
"Don't even think about telling people things unless you have the knowledge and experience to back it up." Actually i have researched the course well, in particular the unsw course as well as talking to some of the lecturers there. I even have friends that are currently in their last year of medical school, so unless if you "have the knowledge and experience" by which i mean know me, it is you who shouldn't make unjustifed posts.
"Don't even think about telling people things" I have merely expressed an opinon which i have based on other medical students. If you look at my most recent post, i have actually changed my stance from pointdexter's own posts, and believe that people who fail medicine are those "who do not have a genuine interest in medicine". It seems that even unsw has changed it's course since many medical students were dropping out.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

I am inclined to say.. Your posts on the net will never do u any justice..
on the 1st page u didnt even read the BMP contract?... does that reflect a part of u?

im sure u might have the best intentions but 1st hand experience trumps 2nd hand experiences... we all have graduated friends.. ure not the only one..

lots of ppl speak to the lecturers like the UQ ones.. the Umelb ones etc...
i have a couple of consultants under my belt too but im not goin to blindly use them.. i hear what they say.. and i see if i can justify it .. if i cant then its not true..

I think u should aim at being encouraging and being realistic.. and disseminating the truth.. rather than elitist and ignorant.. Lexi's being honest at least and he's got the 1st hand experience to prove it..

and that should realli be the end of that