Australian Terrorists killed/arrested in Lebanon (1 Viewer)

[BritneySpears]

Aussie man believed to be killed in Lebanon

By staff writers
June 25, 2007 11:22am

• Aussie man believed to be killed during raid in Lebanon
• Three Aussies arrested by security forces in Lebanon
• Six UN peacekeepers killed by suicide bomb

AN Australian man is believed to be among seven Islamist militants killed in a raid on their hideout in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli.
Australian officials are still trying to confirm reports the Australian man was one of the seven militants killed when Lebanese troops stormed a Tripoli apartment building yesterday.

But diplomats have confirmed three other Australians have been arrested in Lebanon over suspected links to hardline groups. Some reports have put the arrest as high as seven.

10-hour siege

Lebanese officials said the man died as a 10-hour siege at an apartment block reached a bloody climax when Lebanese troops stormed the building, Fairfax has reported.

One soldier was killed and 14 injured, and militants also killed a policeman and his two daughters and a relative.

The standoff was linked to 36-day-old battles between the army and Fatah al-Islam militants at a Palestinian refugee camp.
Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer said it was possible an Australian was killed during fighting with militants, while confirming the three other Australian citizens were arrested.

Australian consular officials were trying to make contact with the three arrested men, but so far Lebanese defence officials had denied them access, Mr Downer told the ABC today.

"We're not sure, we don't know. There is a possibility," he said.

"But the person killed or people who were killed may have been Lebanese and what's more, given the nature of these rumours, we're not really sure people have been killed.

"It does seem possible that they have been though."

Sydney accountant

One of the three is believed to be a Sydney man, Ibrahim Sabouh, 33, who has been living in Lebanon for more than a year with his wife and family.

Mr Sabouh, who has worked in finance in Sydney, was arrested on Thursday at his apartment in Abu Samra.

Sources said the other Australians were arrested in his home.
Link to militants

Mr Downer said Australian authorities were not aware if the arrested Australian men had links to Fatah al-Islam militants.

"The fact that the Lebanese authorities have arrested them and done so in Tripoli by the security forces suggests rather obviously that they has very significant security concerns about these people," he said.

"But that's just supposition on our part. We're not 100 per cent sure of that but that would be a reasonable conclusion to draw."

Fighting abroad

Mr Downer said the Federal Government was not aware of any Australians fighting abroad but did have suspicions about activities some people may been involved in.

"Particularly, people who perhaps were born in parts of the Middle East and have gone back to the Middle East for various political activities," he said.

With The Australian, AAP and the Herald Sun

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[banco55]

Anyone convicted of terrorism in a foreign country should be stripped of their citizenship.

 

[Justin]

Anyone convicted of terrorism in a foreign country should be stripped of their citizenship.

That's a bit of an error in logic.

What does citizenship have to do with it?

PS: you can make comments like this 'till the cows come home, but nothing's gonna change.

Make "aussie battler, kicked while i'm down" comments all you like, about what *should* happen. But, are you gutsy enough to write off to the liberal minister in charge of citizenship? Why doesn't he implement this idea of yours?

Woops, a bit of willful blindness there banco, my *conservative* friend.

 

[jb_nc]

That's a bit of an error in logic.

What does citizenship have to do with it?

Huh? I think it makes perfect sense, if you are convicted of terrorism overseas (which these men are not) you should have your citizenship revoked or have severe penalties imposed upon you on your return... Why shouldn't citizenship have anything to do with it? When you stray from your home country and try to kill others to make a political point, I think you deserve to have the consequences felt elsewhere.

Where's the 'error in logic'? You don't think actual terrorists, not Muslim straw men, are bad?

 

[Justin]

Huh? I think it makes perfect sense, if you are convicted of terrorism overseas (which these men are not) you should have your citizenship revoked or have severe penalties imposed upon you on your return...

Go call Today Tonight, they would love to make a story about this exact issue. Oh wait a minute, they already have!.. Several times this year.

Refer to my previous post.

Why shouldn't citizenship have anything to do with it?

Because you're making it a moral highground issue, much like people who say that there should be a citizenship test. Like, every one in Australia is normal, and if people want to come here, then they should be normal and like us.. perfect in every way. Get over yourself.

When you stray from your home country and try to kill others to make a political point, I think you deserve to have the consequences felt elsewhere.

Committing offences = losing citizenship. That's what terrorism is, an offence. To believe what you're saying, you have to take it outside the realm of being an offence, which is blatant fantasy.

Where's the 'error in logic'?

Refer to above.

You don't think actual terrorists, not Muslim straw men, are bad?

ok wait for it..

*rewind*
*play*

*Justin, the Socialist hippy airhead who wants to defend himself but is hiding his communist agenda, which is completely contrary to what jb_nc believes, enters from stage left*

*Raises his right hand into the air*

Pronounces:


"Of course i think terrorists are bad, BUT........."

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You're also assuming the position of being defensive. Like you need to press the point and argue in favour of the proposal. I'm not arguing against that. What you need to understand, is it's irrelevant what i think.

The reality of the situation, is that what you suggest, is not going to be implemented. Not because of what I think.. Not because i'm a hippy. But because those people who are in charge of citizenship and immigration (let me spell it out, THE LIBERALS.. That is, conservatives *cough* *cough*) would NEVER do such a thing. So don't argue with me, argue with them.

 

[jb_nc]

Go call Today Tonight, they would love to make a story about this exact issue. Oh wait a minute, they already have!.. Several times this year.

I don't watch Today Tonight, apparently you do though.

Refer to my previous post.
Because you're making it a moral highground issue, much like people who say that there should be a citizenship test. Like, every one in Australia is normal, and if people want to come here, then they should be normal and like us.. perfect in every way. Get over yourself.

If by "normal" you mean, is not a terrorist then yes.

You're also assuming the position of being defensive. Like you need to press the point and argue in favour of the proposal. I'm not arguing against that. What you need to understand, is it's irrelevant what i think.

The reality of the situation, is that what you suggest, is not going to be implemented. Not because of what I think.. Not because i'm a hippy. But because those people who are in charge of citizenship and immigration (let me spell it out, THE LIBERALS.. That is, conservatives *cough* *cough*) would NEVER do such a thing. So don't argue with me, argue with them.

So one can never suggest, or argue for, a policy unless it's going to be confirmed into law?

 

[banco55]

A lot of these people are dual nationals. If they are dual nationals I don't see why as a matter of policy they should be allowed to retain australian citizenship if they are convicted of terrorist offences.

 

[PrinceHarry]

With aussie passport they can go almost everywhere without problems but with lebs passport they cant go anywhere without severe restrictions. I support any move to revoke citizenship of these people. Whether it is discriminatory or not.

 

[Justin]

If by "normal" you mean, is not a terrorist then yes.

Ooooh, this is begging for me to cuterise the word 'terrorist' .. but i'll resist

So one can never suggest, or argue for, a policy unless it's going to be confirmed into law?

- this is not a parliament, its an internet forum.
- this issue is brought up on Today Tonight, which should say something about the quality of its substance.
- you can argue all you like- it's not changing.

A lot of these people are dual nationals. If they are dual nationals I don't see why as a matter of policy they should be allowed to retain australian citizenship if they are convicted of terrorist offences.

Yep. Neither do I.

But that's where this ends. This thread might as well close now, lol.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Not surprising development there after comments like this. lets see how they beg assistance from John Howard .

Aussie cleric supports Hezbollah

By Richard Kerbaj
June 23, 2007 01:00am
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Claims PM support for Israel condones terrorism
Considers Hezbollah "resistance group"
Authorities monitoring Shia finances

THE nation's most senior Shia Muslim cleric has attacked John Howard for backing Israel against Arabs and openly declared his allegiance to the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah.

Kamal Mousselmani - head of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia - said yesterday his entire community considered Hezbollah a "resistance group", not a terrorist network, and lashed the Howard Government over its support for Israel.

"They (the Australian Government) are encouraging terrorism," the Lebanese-born cleric told The Weekend Australian in an interview conducted in Arabic.

"Australia is encouraging Israel to kill our people daily.

"Write that down, we are not afraid of anyone."

Sheik Mousselmani said all of Australia's approximately 30,000 Shi'ites were avid supporters of Hezbollah (Party of God) and haters of Israel. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21952242-421,00.html?from=public_rss

 

[Captain Gh3y]

"all of Australia's approximately 30,000 Shi'ites were avid supporters of Hezbollah (Party of God) and haters of Israel."

big surprise there

 

[banco55]

"all of Australia's approximately 30,000 Shi'ites were avid supporters of Hezbollah (Party of God) and haters of Israel."

big surprise there

Yes who would be surprised that they support a terrorist organization. This is why ASIO should be in every mosque.

 

[jimmayyy]

Anyone convicted of terrorism in a foreign country should be stripped of their citizenship.

quoted for truth. if indeed they are found to be terrorists let them rot.

if however, they are innocent australian citizens the government should do all it can to help them to their fullest extent.

 

[Strummerkid]

"Yes who would be surprised that they support a terrorist organization. This is why ASIO should be in every mosque."

Hahaha! And every Irish Pub too i suppose, considering most Irish ex-pats support the IRA?
Ireland Palestine Solidarity, LONG LIVE THE RESISTANCE (and all that sort of stuff lol).

 

[banco55]

"Yes who would be surprised that they support a terrorist organization. This is why ASIO should be in every mosque."

Hahaha! And every Irish Pub too i suppose, considering most Irish ex-pats support the IRA?
Ireland Palestine Solidarity, LONG LIVE THE RESISTANCE (and all that sort of stuff lol).

Remind me again when was the last time Irish terrorists were charged with plotting terrorist attacks against Australia? How many Islamic nutters are currently in jail or facing charges in Australia? Good to see these islamic nutters are trapped in lebanon. I hope more of them go over and die there.

 

[Snaykew]

Remind me again when was the last time Irish terrorists were charged with plotting terrorist attacks against Australia? How many Islamic nutters are currently in jail or facing charges in Australia? Good to see these islamic nutters are trapped in lebanon. I hope more of them go over and die there.

I'm not quite sure there's anyone in gaol for terrorism in Australia, at all. Being charged means nothing, however being convicted does.

Also, I'd prefer ALL nutters go away.

 

[Strummerkid]

Remind me again when was the last time Irish terrorists were charged with plotting terrorist attacks against Australia? How many Islamic nutters are currently in jail or facing charges in Australia? Good to see these islamic nutters are trapped in lebanon. I hope more of them go over and die there.

Irish Terrorists? Irish Freedom Fighters!

I know one "Islamic Nutter" currently in jail facing deportation because he gave a sim card to his second cousin, and despite being found to pose so little risk that he was let out into the community, the government is still deporting him!

 

[banco55]

I'm not quite sure there's anyone in gaol for terrorism in Australia, at all. Being charged means nothing, however being convicted does.

Also, I'd prefer ALL nutters go away.

I'm not sure where the various cases are up to. The pakistani architect was convicted I believe. There's about half a dozen who are still on trial I think and there's that idiot with his rocket launcher who is still on trial I thin.