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it also happened cos politicians were fucking stupid too and in the end a lot of factors involving ineptitude, self-interest and a refusal to let go of colonial interests came together to cause what was ultimately one of the most unnecessary wars in history

did you forget to read the first post where i say that other battles of ww1 deserve more attention? lol

your first two paragraphs are exactly in line with what i have been saying all along lol i agree that veterans didn't glorify what happened, in fact that is exactly my point that veterans HATED the glorification of war, whereas future generations and political figures have glorified it. I have...

tl;dr version of what i'm saying ANZAC day should be a time when we step back and reflect on the realities of war, including the fact that Australian participation in war was neither always perfect or commendable, that fighting in a war is neither innately glorious or heroic, that war is...

what's your point then? My point is none of the battles in world war 1 were justified, and that soldiers who volunteer to go to war should know full well what that job entails, regardless of where they go, the concept that they "had" to go or that they somehow had no control over their actions...

Re: Confessions You clearly do not understand how people signed up to WW1 lol, it was voluntary *after* the war was announced, they knew exactly the war they were getting themselves into. Also you can't compare a doctor and a soldier simply because both are a public service, considering that...

Re: Confessions The bold is the essence of what is wrong with this view, Australia's army was voluntary, they *did* choose the war they fought and no one *had* to fight it, you could have chosen, like the majority of eligible Aussie males at the time btw, to have not gone overseas and get...

Re: Confessions so what if he didn't? Fact is fact, and it's our problem if we can't face the facts just because it's on a certain day What he said might have been inappropriate, but we can't call ourselves a free and civilised society if we don't have the capacity to step back, put our...

Re: Confessions the best time to question something is when it gets the most attention, because that's when the issue is in the limelight Society in general has a pretty short attention span and let's be honest, the general population pays particular attention to Australia's military and it's...

Re: Confessions what other day though? i'm not saying what he did was 100% right (for example he did exactly what the other extreme does, which is to make vast generalisations about ANZACs as a whole, which was inappropriate), but some of his claims are not entirely historically inaccurate...

Re: Confessions missed the point lol

Re: Confessions Except applying more progressive and reasonable ideologies is exactly what leads to the evolution of society, just because they had a dated ideology, it doesn't mean it is not open to scrutiny and in any way justified. History isn't about accepting how it was done back in the...

Re: Confessions i mean one of the images in my head that resonates with me the most is when there was a truce between Australian and Turkish forces and they mingled in no man's land and conversed and bonded And can you imagine what they were thinking? "oh hey you're a great guy and if we...

Re: Confessions pretty much this As for the "being forced into the war and taking orders", i think this mentality only applies to conscripts, otherwise voluteering to become a soldier is a personal choice, i doubt anyone becomes a soldier without considering the possibility they are going...

Re: Confessions except all that assumes a few things 1. That all those soldiers were totally naive to the fact that they were fighting a country they had no reason to invade 2. That all those soldiers had entirely noble reasons for being there 3. That we did it for our country when...

Re: Confessions i have kinda mixed feelings about this too i do acknowledge some people who fight in war might feel what they are fighting for is righteous/good etc. and in some cases that might be true. But I also know people in the military now who legitimately have the most infantile...

Re: Confessions they didn't fight for our country's values or our people per se, they fought for our political priorities, which for world war 1 were essentially "following britain" that was my entire point lol note that is gallipoli specifically, Australia's military intervention in PNG for...

they did more for the British than Australia itself, if we are talking world war 1. The only reason Australia even participated was because Britain essentially compelled us to and at that time most of the population had direct ties to a British heritage. I dislike some aspects of what people...

Does the anatomy teaching also need concurrent surgical teaching though? I.e. applications of certain surgical techniques, where and how to perform grafts etc.? Like i'm assuming a surgical trainee needs more of a practical focus in their education thanthe basic anatomy

100%, so long as ur proactive and keen u can have a real blast, clinical years are what u make of it with a dash of luck involved when it comes to the doctors who are on ur team and how active they are in teaching u