Should there be an Aboriginal voice to parliament? (4 Viewers)

[carrotsss]

it was. parkes has a 60% indigenous population

no it doesnt??????? parkes nsw has 13% wtf

 

[enoilgam]

A pretty predictable result on the whole, however the scale of the No victory is a surprise. I was predicting 57-43 to No, but it is looking like the Yes campaign might not top 40% nationally (especially with a lot of counting in WA to go and postal votes which tend to favour No). My thoughts on the referendum.

• Without question, the Yes campaign takes the cake for the worst political campaign of my lifetime (I thought Hilary Clinton in 2016 could never be topped). Albo will cop a lot of the blame, but the Yes campaign were just woeful. They just had a complete inability to refocus and counter the No campaign in any capacity. The failure to provide further details was absolutely a fatal mistake especially with the electorate crying out for more. How a campaign can squander a massive 15 point lead with 6 months to go and an overwhelming financial advantage will boggle the minds of political scientists for years to come
• To that end, the No campaign was really well run - they had a clear message which cut through. No one typifies this more than Jacinta Price who was a star campaigner.
• I dont think this is a sign of an electorate turning rightward or a massive game changing win for the Liberal party. I think with respect to this issue, it was a poorly thought out policy with an even worse campaign.
• I completely agree with Jacinta Price when she said that some older Indigenous leaders need to step aside for some fresh views, as I agree with her comments regarding this been driven by out of touch Academics and Activists. We need some fresh ideas in the space and at the moment, any one who has slightly different ideas on Indigenous Affairs is pilloried and marginalised. This referendum should send a clear message that the orthodoxy needs a shakeup.
• I like what Peter Dutton said re respecting the views of Yes voters. I think there needs to be some mutual respect that whilst we disagree, we shouldnt feel inhibited to do so. I was disappointed with people trashing others like say Nathan Cleary who advocated for Yes. It's a free country, Yes or No we should all be free to offer our views.

 

[year10studentpreparin]

A pretty predictable result on the whole, however the scale of the No victory is a surprise. I was predicting 57-43 to No, but it is looking like the Yes campaign might not top 40% nationally (especially with a lot of counting in WA to go and postal votes which tend to favour No). My thoughts on the referendum.

• Without question, the Yes campaign takes the cake for the worst political campaign of my lifetime (I thought Hilary Clinton in 2016 could never be topped). Albo will cop a lot of the blame, but the Yes campaign were just woeful. They just had a complete inability to refocus and counter the No campaign in any capacity. The failure to provide further details was absolutely a fatal mistake especially with the electorate crying out for more. How a campaign can squander a massive 15 point lead with 6 months to go and an overwhelming financial advantage will boggle the minds of political scientists for years to come
• To that end, the No campaign was really well run - they had a clear message which cut through. No one typifies this more than Jacinta Price who was a star campaigner.
• I dont think this is a sign of an electorate turning rightward or a massive game changing win for the Liberal party. I think with respect to this issue, it was a poorly thought out policy with an even worse campaign.
• I completely agree with Jacinta Price when she said that some older Indigenous leaders need to step aside for some fresh views, as I agree with her comments regarding this been driving by out of touch Academics and Activists. We need some fresh ideas in the space and at the moment, any one who has slightly different ideas on Indigenous Affairs is pilloried and marginalised. This referendum should send a clear message that the orthodoxy needs a shakeup.
• I like what Peter Dutton said re respecting the views of Yes voters. I think there needs to be some mutual respect that whilst we disagree, we shouldnt feel inhibited to do so. I was disappointed with people trashing others like say Nathan Cleary who advocated for Yes. It's a free country, Yes or No we should all be free to offer our views.

agreed

 

[HazzRat]

The referendum has not passed, 69% of votes have been counted with 40.3% voting yes and 59.7% voting no

Most news sources have called it for the No vote. The ABC has called it for No here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/voice-to-parliament-referendum.

 

[notme123]

The referendum has not passed, 69% of votes have been counted with 40.3% voting yes and 59.7% voting no

they probs call the winner when it becomes statistically unlikely that 100% counting will change the majority outcome. like some equation they use to predict that probability of switching and when below a certain threshold (like a hypothesis test) they declare a winner. same goes for individual states

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

Guys who voted today

 

[notme123]

albo basically conceded it but that doesnt actually mean theyve lost. its just 99% likely theyve lost and arent patient enough to wait till tomorrow when everyone forgotten and doesnt care anymore.

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

@notme123 if u dont mind me asking what did u vote? or like why do u support who u do

 

[carrotsss]

they probs call the winner when it becomes statistically unlikely that 100% counting will change the majority outcome. like some equation they use to predict that probability of switching and when below a certain threshold (like a hypothesis test) they declare a winner. same goes for individual states

yeah and you don't need a very high percentage of votes to reach that on the scale of a whole country/state, hence why they get called so early especially when theres this much of a majority.

its also faster for referendums because unlike normal elections there's no preferences so the final % is much easier to calculate

 

[notme123]

@notme123 if u dont mind me asking what did u vote? or like why do u support who u do

i should be careful when speaking to a gender science honours student. tbh i didnt want to vote. im in an electorate with an extremely high yes majority but i didnt choose to follow. i didnt vote yes but doesnt mean i voted no

 

[SadCeliac]

lol result is known before WA polls closed

"oops"

 

[carrotsss]

seriously, so they campaigned for months just to give up at the last moment, there could very well be a chance that the scales tip but they don't want to wait for that possibility?

theres zero chance, have u seen the percentages, the only way that things would change would be if there was an extreme extreme upset on prepoll votes which is the exact opposite of whats usually the case

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

i should be careful when speaking to a gender science honours student. tbh i didnt want to vote. im in an electorate with an extremely high yes majority but i didnt choose to follow. i didnt vote yes but doesnt mean i voted no

Fuck i was about to cancel u, i had ur IP on standby on my twitter post man fuck u were gonna be my honours thesis on "How 99.95 ATAR students tend to be more extraverted-psychologically-integrated with a hint of cocaine inductive behaviour with transphobic and lgbtq neglecting/intolerating/bisexual bastardising attitudes"

 

[notme123]

seriously, so they campaigned for months just to give up at the last moment, there could very well be a chance that the scales tip but they don't want to wait for that possibility?

its next to 0 chance happening. they knew they were gonna lose from the polls before the referendum

 

[HazzRat]

What percent of the total vote is just going to be donkey votes? Like you didn't have to tick a box or anything, you could have written some racist/anti-Semitic/suicidal shit in that box and you wouldn't be fined.

 

[carrotsss]

What percent of the total vote is just going to be donkey votes? Like you didn't have to tick a box or anything, you could have written some racist/anti-Semitic/suicidal shit in that box and you wouldn't be fined.

1.1%

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

lmaoooo its official, you do gender studies now @ExtremelyBoredUser

Sorry, when did I ever NOT do gender SCIENCE? Its not studies u stupid dummy, im not one of those 80 IQ "Actuarial Studies" kids who choose the degree because they can do 2 + 2, OMG GUYS I CAN ADD i and i TO GET 2i IN THE COMPLEX PLANE OMG IM SO SMART TIME TO BECOME SBF'S PERSONAL ADVISOR OMEGALUL. Rather I'm a bit more refined, antique persay in my taste and I choose to opt into a high class, high quality, women-inclusive, gender binding, not racist or divisive GENDER SCIENCE degree.

 

[HazzRat]

1.1%

Ok that's surprisingly less than I thought. Typically they expect 4% of the vote to be bullshit: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/...nd-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/

 

[carrotsss]

Sorry, when did I ever NOT do gender SCIENCE? Its not studies u stupid dummy, im not one of those 80 IQ "Actuarial Studies" kids who choose the degree because they can do 2 + 2, OMG GUYS I CAN ADD i and i TO GET 2i IN THE COMPLEX PLANE OMG IM SO SMART TIME TO BECOME SBF'S PERSONAL ADVISOR OMEGALUL. Rather I'm a bit more refined, antique persay in my taste and I choose to opt into a high class, high quality, women-inclusive, gender binding, not racist or divisive GENDER SCIENCE degree.

actuarial studies = english studies ???

more details needed

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

actuarial studies = english studies ???

more details needed

fax imagine doing a degree with studies in LOL gender science cohort represent, where all my gender science students at